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Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

xingped wrote: post #274
artyom wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the other way around. Valve is the company where we spend a lot of money and they deserve it. The rest is companies that trick people into giving them money (battlepass! lootboxes!) and they don't deserve it. People often forget that consumers as a whole are the ones holding the power, and the sad part is that rewarding a company with a good product with your money stopped being the business model and it's now t…

I don't disagree with most of your statement, but Valve has and continues to make lots of money from loot boxes in both CS and TF2. Just want to point out that they do do stuff like that too.

Maybe hot take in this age, but loot boxes for cosmetics aren't a problem when you can get cosmetics by just playing.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by Orygin »

poisonborz wrote: post #29

Even if Valve and Steam is great and overall a blessing for the PC space, I don't like the direction they take with this controller. It only works with Steam, it can't work on a desktop OS without it, despite standard layout. It is a subtle move towards a walled garden.

I wish people stopped spreading misinformation like this.

No the controller works for any game, outside of steam, without steam launched.

The only restriction is that to configure the controller, you need steam.

Otherwise, you can select a profile for desktop use that is mkb or a generic gamepad, and run your games through that. Of course, you won't have many of the modern features, since XInput does not support anything fancy. Want these features on your controller (not just the steam one, the 8bitdo, the switch 1/2, etc..) you will need modern input API... which are provided by Steam!

There was and probably will be third party applications to configure the controller outside of Steam. It is NOT a walled garden at all and imo, the best of both world.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by Pay08 »

scubadude wrote: post #450
Pay08 wrote: post #403

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You can buy the rotating banner at the top.

You can sponsor a promotion; sales on a bunch of games - but it's not "Brought to you by the cool refreshing taste of Pepsi" it's like "Berlin Game Developers".

I meant the carousel.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by poisonborz »

Orygin wrote: post #452
poisonborz wrote: post #29

Even if Valve and Steam is great and overall a blessing for the PC space, I don't like the direction they take with this controller. It only works with Steam, it can't work on a desktop OS without it, despite standard layout. It is a subtle move towards a walled garden.

I wish people stopped spreading misinformation like this. No the controller works for any game, outside of steam, without steam launched. The only restriction is that to configure the controller, you need steam. Otherwise, you can select a profile for desktop use that is mkb or a generic gamepad, and run your games through that. Of course, you won't have many of the modern features, since XInput does not support anyt…

This contradicts all reviews I've read, but good if true.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by account42 »

I wish people would stop referring to "creative common licenses" as if they were even remotely comparable. The license in this case is CC BY-NC-SA which at least allows derivatives but really anything NC should not exist in CC even if its not as bad as the no-derivate jokes.

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Post by ranguna »

mock-possum wrote: post #429
poisonborz wrote: post #29

Even if Valve and Steam is great and overall a blessing for the PC space, I don't like the direction they take with this controller. It only works with Steam, it can't work on a desktop OS without it, despite standard layout. It is a subtle move towards a walled garden.

> It only works with Steam, it can't work on a desktop OS without Wait what ?? Is this true? How did I not know this important detail?

Only for windows, and maybe mac

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by account42 »

artyom wrote: post #266
herpdyderp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes I wonder what we did to deserve Valve and how long it can possibly last.

It's the other way around. Valve is the company where we spend a lot of money and they deserve it. The rest is companies that trick people into giving them money (battlepass! lootboxes!) and they don't deserve it. People often forget that consumers as a whole are the ones holding the power, and the sad part is that rewarding a company with a good product with your money stopped being the business model and it's now t…

Valve uses battlepasses and lootboxes (i.e. gambling for minors) as much as the worst in the industry. They are far from a good corporation.

Gabe is just better at PR than the competition and gamers are irrationally tribal and will defend whatever they consider to be part of while ignoring all the bad parts.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by account42 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #444
Spacemolte wrote: post #431

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They also didn't/don't put a stop to the gambling sites, scams and non-scams, done with those lootboxes. We have an epidemic of addiction to gambling in youth, where the arrow points at lootboxes as the gateway drug..

Valve is far from the first, only, or worst actors in this field. Skin lootboxes are not much more than a flex. If there is one to blame for the gambling epidemic, look at EA and FIFA.

Valve is not literally the first but they played a big part in normalizing both lootboxes and micro transactions. Don't rewrite history just because you are a fan.

Not to mention their role in you not owning your games.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by pjmlp »

artyom wrote: post #366
xingped wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with most of your statement, but Valve has and continues to make lots of money from loot boxes in both CS and TF2. Just want to point out that they do do stuff like that too.

And I forgot to mention in-game currency. I didn't say Valve is perfect. But they're definitely worth the money I spend there. Great service, proper support, regional pricing, and the list goes on. Everything works today. The work they've put on Proton/Linux gaming easily wins my support. Did they screw up sometimes? Sure. And I'm from the days when Steam didn't exist. I remember the NoSTEAM game versions in shady si…

> The work they've put on Proton/Linux gaming easily wins my support.

Lets not be naive here, this is the money they are saving in Windows licenses for the Steam Deck, and having their own store instead of Windows Store/XBox PC App.

Yet they are doing zero to foster native Linux games.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by pjmlp »

artyom wrote: post #378
ninjaoxygen wrote: post #375

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Totally agree with you there, as much as I love to hate non-transferability, revokable licenses, permanent VAC bans on accounts that got hacked, I still find Steam the most convenient path to "owning" games in one place. The Linux work done for Steam Deck is fantastic and I do credit their efforts with inspiring others to work on similar projects that extend and complement what Valve achieved. Much of the hard effort…

> Is there a danger of doing to games what Spotify has done to music? I think such business model ultimately doesn't scale well for games (several million-dollars production budgets sharing minuscule pieces of a ~$20 all-you-can-eat subscription pie). Microsoft always knew this, they didn't try to win the market, they tried to subvert the business model, probably expecting the industry as a whole moving towards it --…

Most of the market talks Nintendo, Sony, XBox, Apple Arcade, Android.

Exactly because they aquired half the good studios, they happen to be one of the biggest publishers, people forget some of those studios keep using their own branding instead of anything Microsoft, and it would hurt Steam if Microsoft decides all those studios would pull out of it.

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