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Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by nmfisher »

bitmasher9 wrote: post #86
franga2000 wrote: post #27

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That's true now, but Valve has been like this since the start, way before skins and microtransactions.

You’re ignoring how much of a role the TF2 hats played in pushing microtransaction skins. Steam came out in 2003. TF2 hats came out in 2009. It’s lived in the world of micro transactions way longer than it lived in the before times.

As much as I like Valve, it's difficult to ignore how large a part they played in shifting the PC market towards F2P.

I bought TF2 with the Orange Box, and for a few years it was amazing. Then it went F2P with hats, and overnight the player base turned into a cesspit (and the hats themselves completely ruined the aesthetic that they spent years painstakingly crafting).

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by esseph »

mriet wrote: post #355
dvt wrote: post #328

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This is the same argument Microsoft used ("we're just an OS, totally not a monopoly"). I think to anyone that spends any time doing any PC gaming, it's obvious that Steam is the only relevant storefront by a country mile.

And yet, Escape from Tarkov is not on Steam, which would seem 5o contradict what you're saying.

> And yet, Escape from Tarkov is not on Steam, which would seem 5o contradict what you're saying.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3932890/Escape_from_Tarko...

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by invalidSyntax »

dvt wrote: post #316
artyom wrote: post #266

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It's the other way around. Valve is the company where we spend a lot of money and they deserve it. The rest is companies that trick people into giving them money (battlepass! lootboxes!) and they don't deserve it. People often forget that consumers as a whole are the ones holding the power, and the sad part is that rewarding a company with a good product with your money stopped being the business model and it's now t…

I'd like to have an honest conversation about this, but imo Valve is no better than the iOS app store: it aggressively rent seeks and has essentially destroyed the shareware model (which was the best way to discover software in the 80s-90s). It has also willingly been complicit in underage gambling via loot boxes for more than a decade now. I think Gabe Newell is a visionary for building Steam in 2003, way before Job…

"destroyed the shareware model". You know that they only sell games, and just have the games that they made in the list too(them just being amazing and popular). It's not some easy task as recovering old systems when there are every type of games imaginable. Even if valve made a option to do that, no one will since other companies don't do anything like that.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by blindspot4 »

cwel wrote: post #347
xingped wrote: post #274

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I don't disagree with most of your statement, but Valve has and continues to make lots of money from loot boxes in both CS and TF2. Just want to point out that they do do stuff like that too.

..and Dota2..

Americans would rather mention TF2, a game with less than 10 thousand concurrent players and probably making a modicum of money, than ever pretend that game exists or has influenced other games.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by artyom »

xingped wrote: post #274
artyom wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the other way around. Valve is the company where we spend a lot of money and they deserve it. The rest is companies that trick people into giving them money (battlepass! lootboxes!) and they don't deserve it. People often forget that consumers as a whole are the ones holding the power, and the sad part is that rewarding a company with a good product with your money stopped being the business model and it's now t…

I don't disagree with most of your statement, but Valve has and continues to make lots of money from loot boxes in both CS and TF2. Just want to point out that they do do stuff like that too.

And I forgot to mention in-game currency.

I didn't say Valve is perfect. But they're definitely worth the money I spend there. Great service, proper support, regional pricing, and the list goes on. Everything works today. The work they've put on Proton/Linux gaming easily wins my support.

Did they screw up sometimes? Sure. And I'm from the days when Steam didn't exist. I remember the NoSTEAM game versions in shady sites, including Half-Life 2. Steam was hated with a passion back then. They won by ultimately providing great value and service.

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Post by noitdoesnt »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #40
poisonborz wrote: post #29

Even if Valve and Steam is great and overall a blessing for the PC space, I don't like the direction they take with this controller. It only works with Steam, it can't work on a desktop OS without it, despite standard layout. It is a subtle move towards a walled garden.

Kinda. SteamOS is open source, so it's not really walled. It's possible they deferred making generic drivers to release faster and those will come out later,kinda like steamOS windows drivers came out later

You don't need SteamOS. This is strictly a Windows issue and the controller works fine on MacOS and Linux.

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by DaSHacka »

blindspot4 wrote: post #365
cwel wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..and Dota2..

Americans would rather mention TF2, a game with less than 10 thousand concurrent players and probably making a modicum of money, than ever pretend that game exists or has influenced other games.

TF2 has over 30,000 active players right now though..

https://steamdb.info/app/440/charts/

Re: Valve releases Steam Controller CAD files under Creative Commons license

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Post by GranPC »

blindspot4 wrote: post #365
cwel wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..and Dota2..

Americans would rather mention TF2, a game with less than 10 thousand concurrent players and probably making a modicum of money, than ever pretend that game exists or has influenced other games.

What does that have to do with Americans specifically?
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