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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by kube-system »

csa wrote: post #113
leereeves wrote: post #15

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Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations?

> Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations? Whatever the stated reasons are is one thing. The biggest issue is that a network of BYDs in the US would be a massive intelligence coup. It will never be permitted unless the intelligence aspect is addressed… if it can be.

That's the focus of the yet-to-be-passed bill that is circulating congress.

The patterns of aggressively tariffing foreign automakers for protectionism in the US long pre-dates any sort electronics in cars.

Lobbying forces in the US care deeply about the latter, not so much the former.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

whatever1 wrote: post #76
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

No to me it just shows 2 different capital allocation strategies. China picked manufacturing. US picked datacenters.

No, US picked services, financials, defense, and energy

China picked manufacturing, infrastructure, consumable exports

All the compromises here were pointed out by critics on the left many decades ago. Letting capital flee to where labour was cheapest eviscerated the entire US and Canadian northeast/midwest manufacturing sector and was policy driven from the right.

That and we decided that only the private sector should be responsible for building infrastructure and housing, and then wondered why the cost of building either skyrocketed in cost...

And yet now it's the (far) right freaking out and trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

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Post by [deleted] »

Barbing wrote: post #73
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #35

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They do. The Chinese government gave them a special exemption, presumably because they wanted to build EV manufacturing expertise. Other foreign auto companies are not allowed to open their own factories in China; they have to do a joint venture with a local manufacturer.

>presumably because they wanted to build EV manufacturing expertise Worked with Apple!

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by weirdmantis69 »

plaidthunder wrote: post #8
PessimalDecimal wrote: post #4

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In what world is China less "protectionist" than the US?

The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs. It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in the 1980s.

Ya I heard that from some chinese facebook users... oh wait...

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Post by IncreasePosts »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #59
IncreasePosts wrote: post #21

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A BYD seal is basically comparable to a model 3, except it has a more classic car aesthetic as opposed to a giant screen. What are we missing out on?

and what's the tesla equivalent for the BYD dolphin?

There's more than one brand of car available in America... so it would probably be the Chevy Volt, the nissan leaf, or hyundai kona

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Post by mghackerlady »

esafak wrote: post #106
EA-3167 wrote: post #33

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I would certainly expect a country with 4x the population of the US, which is used as the center of global manufacturing, to need a lot of power. I’m not sure that’s something that anyone should be concerned about from a geopolitical point of view. Likewise expecting Japan to have ever done the same is… silly.

You're not concerned about the biggest army in the world flexing its muscles?

Not really, china has never started a war and overall seems to understand it as a pointless yet necessary endeavour

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by bluGill »

whatever1 wrote: post #76
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

No to me it just shows 2 different capital allocation strategies. China picked manufacturing. US picked datacenters.

The US is very strong in manufacturing. There is a lot lower percentage of the population working in the factories (thanks to automation), but there is just as much as there ever was if not more. It isn't high value/growth like data centers, but it is still there and strong

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

testing22321 wrote: post #79
threethirtytwo wrote: post #47

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A Chinese person who was here in the US as a foreign student once commented to me that he was so surprised that the United States was like the country side. He didn’t realize how rural the country was. This was at UCLA which is in LA which is the second biggest city in the US.

When friends visited NYC and we drove around a bit they said “it’s like everything is half finished”

Did he ask about all the bricked up windows in London?

You get what you incentivize.

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Post by AlanYx »

ck2 wrote: post #86

steal this startup idea: you can't buy BYD in the USA (thanks to Biden actually, not current admin) BUT there's a loophole to have a car from Canada in the USA for a year so lease them from Canada to USA buyers for a year at a time

It's not yet easy to buy BYD vehicles in Canada either. The first quota of 49,000 vehicles was only recently announced, and that's to be shared across all Chinese vendors.

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Post by mghackerlady »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #132
whatever1 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No to me it just shows 2 different capital allocation strategies. China picked manufacturing. US picked datacenters.

No, US picked services, financials, defense, and energy China picked manufacturing, infrastructure, consumable exports All the compromises here were pointed out by critics on the left many decades ago. Letting capital flee to where labour was cheapest eviscerated the entire US and Canadian northeast/midwest manufacturing sector and was policy driven from the right. That and we decided that only the private sector sho…

the US picked those because it was cheaper to move the others to china. It again shows that capitalism will inevitably die without colonialism
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