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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by happosai »

catigula wrote: post #42
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's what most innovation is. the model T wasn't the first car. it was the car that was sufficiently refined to take over.

We have very different definitions of innovation. Respondants: Please, stop lying on the internet. It's not healthy. Stop making things up. Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation Making cars faster or cheaper isn't an "innovation". Making a flying car is innovation. Inventing the car is invention. Systematic government-aided intellectual property theft, lax labor laws, low wages and low standar…

The word you are looking for is "invention". Innovation instead means exactly refining and improving existing things.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by sarmasamosarma »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #10
Pfhortune wrote: post #5

Would be great if we could buy/drive these in the US. Funny how we have a "free market" only when it is convenient for certain interests...

I agree that that would be great as a consumer, but given how protectionist China is, you can hardly blame countries for responding in kind. Trade should be a two way street.

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Post by fusslo »

throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

I have two chinese-born coworkers (who spent 20-30 years here in the us) in the same room. When we talk about china's expansion, I am always jealous of the public projects, infrastructure, housing, etc. They always point out the huge unemployment of young people, declining birth rate, and other social ills.

They say they're worried when the building stops. Even more people will be out of jobs. And when the nation ages all they built will be used and maintained by fewer people

I've never been to china so it's interesting perspective from people with family there and go back 2-3 times a year

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Post by jmyeet »

Pfhortune wrote: post #5

Would be great if we could buy/drive these in the US. Funny how we have a "free market" only when it is convenient for certain interests...

For anyone that doesn't know, then president Ronald Reagan signed a bill into law in 1988 that banned all car imports into the US unless the car is at least 25 yaers old.

Why? Because US Mercedez-Benz dealers were selling their cars at too high a price and a lot of Americans were importing them directly from Germany. So the dealers associations lobbied Congress for a ban.

Country of free markets, by the way.

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Post by threethirtytwo »

NickC25 wrote: post #46
sampton wrote: post #13

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Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

They do. Because Elon is proving himself to be quite an idiot. China was more than happy to welcome him in, and have him teach them how to build an EV. They simply copied what they could and improved on it. "The communists will happily sell the capitalists the rope the capitalists hang themselves with"

It’s other capitalists that stole the tech. China is a country of capitalists living under a communist regime.

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Post by standeven »

prism56 wrote: post #40

Ive seen soo many BYD cars in the UK in the last year. I'm not in the market for a new car, but anyone who has looked recently what is the draw to BYD? Is it strictly value/price?

Value, performance, quality, and not being associated with Elon.

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Post by phainopepla2 »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #47
throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

A Chinese person who was here in the US as a foreign student once commented to me that he was so surprised that the United States was like the country side. He didn’t realize how rural the country was. This was at UCLA which is in LA which is the second biggest city in the US.

West LA isn't like a Chinese city, but no one in their right mind would call UCLA rural

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Post by Larrikin »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #21
plaidthunder wrote: post #8

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The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs. It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in the 1980s.

A BYD seal is basically comparable to a model 3, except it has a more classic car aesthetic as opposed to a giant screen. What are we missing out on?

This shallow comparison could apply to any car. Are Toyota cars just Ford cars with a different logo?

Back when people used to buy Teslas, the company was notorious for how long it took to get repairs done. Even if BYD was exactly like Tesla theres many ways they could differentiate themselves if they were allowed in the US

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Post by arjie »

Traveling in Asia and South America, the primary impression I got was not that this is a war of manufacturing that we're losing but that the game is already up. Chile was full of Chinese makes and they were all surprisingly good. Riding in a Chinese MG in Taiwan or Hong Kong you suddenly realize that this isn't a future competitor. The people talking about the war of car manufacturers here seem like those Japanese holdouts who were still fighting in 1956.

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Post by jimbob45 »

klodolph wrote: post #55
threethirtytwo wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Chinese person who was here in the US as a foreign student once commented to me that he was so surprised that the United States was like the country side. He didn’t realize how rural the country was. This was at UCLA which is in LA which is the second biggest city in the US.

People are also surprised how rural much of China is.

https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/origin.png

Posting the map in case anyone hasn’t seen it.

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