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BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by snapcaster »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #31
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

> Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens up national parks for drilling and cancels solar/wind projects. You occasionally see a heartwarming post: “California adds solar panels over a canal” and it just looks cute and kind of sad compared to the massive, ambitious, and technologically superior build out of Chinese renewables. Coal is still the majority of generation capacity [1] in C…

As an american i feel it. have you ever visited China? it's sad man, in more and more industries america is only able to compete by banning china from even contesting the market

Not just on dumping or price, actual product quality, innovation and value. It's impossible to visit a Huawei store in Beijing and not feel it in your bones

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by catigula »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #32
catigula wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>innovating Right. Refining already invented things is 'innovation'.

that's what most innovation is. the model T wasn't the first car. it was the car that was sufficiently refined to take over.

We have very different definitions of innovation.

Respondants:

Please, stop lying on the internet. It's not healthy. Stop making things up.

Source:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation

Making cars faster or cheaper isn't an "innovation". Making a flying car is innovation. Inventing the car is invention.

Systematic government-aided intellectual property theft, lax labor laws, low wages and low standards of living aren't innovative.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by wat10000 »

catigula wrote: post #24
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

>innovating Right. Refining already invented things is 'innovation'.

I assume you're being sarcastic, but it actually is.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

testing22321 wrote: post #25
atonse wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With EVs, Tesla's the only one in the US not phoning it in. I used to think they were until I got a new Model Y Juniper. I don't count Rivian or Lucid until they actually have even somewhat affordable EVs. But pretty much everyone else in the US is doing a piss poor job with EVs and just don't seem to care at all. Ford seemed to have lost interest in the F-150 lightning. I agree that trade needs to be a two way stree…

> Ford seemed to have lost interest in the F-150 lightning. It’s cancelled. So is the Chev Silverado EV.

The Chevy is not. A refresh was delayed

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by everdrive »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #4
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

In what world is China less "protectionist" than the US?

The modern discourse is quite rough -- people have been making these equivalencies for quite some time -- but as the US behavior becomes worse and worse, these equivalencies become more and more true. And as they become truer, the people who have always been pushing them only feel vindicated.

It's quite unfortunate, but I can't say I blame them. From their perspective the tiger is finally showing its stripes.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by NickC25 »

sampton wrote: post #13
TulliusCicero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that that would be great as a consumer, but given how protectionist China is, you can hardly blame countries for responding in kind. Trade should be a two way street.

Doesn't Tesla have a factory in China?

They do. Because Elon is proving himself to be quite an idiot.

China was more than happy to welcome him in, and have him teach them how to build an EV. They simply copied what they could and improved on it.

"The communists will happily sell the capitalists the rope the capitalists hang themselves with"

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by threethirtytwo »

throwaway_7274 wrote: post #20
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

I was glued to the window while flying over southern China recently. There is so much infrastructure you can see from the air, even in fairly rural provinces. So many bridges. So many wind turbines. It is visibly a country on the move, a country that believes in itself and its ability to do things. The Chinese Century is increasingly palpable, for better or worse.

A Chinese person who was here in the US as a foreign student once commented to me that he was so surprised that the United States was like the country side. He didn’t realize how rural the country was.

This was at UCLA which is in LA which is the second biggest city in the US.

Re: BYD overtakes Tesla and Kia as the best-selling EV brand in key overseas markets

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Post by blackjack_ »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #31
hdhdhsjsbdh wrote: post #3

BYD has to me become an icon of US decline vs Chinese expansion. It’s just one example among many of China charting the way forward and innovating while the US recedes further into backward-looking, protectionist policy. See: US politicians on both sides trying to ban BYD imports rather than incentivizing stiffer competition from US automakers. Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens…

> Another example: massive growth in Chinese renewables while the US opens up national parks for drilling and cancels solar/wind projects. You occasionally see a heartwarming post: “California adds solar panels over a canal” and it just looks cute and kind of sad compared to the massive, ambitious, and technologically superior build out of Chinese renewables. Coal is still the majority of generation capacity [1] in C…

Who cares? China is revving up energy production in renewables to out eat the fossil production, but all of these processes are energy hungry, and you have to pay the non renewable cost to create the renewables. But then you don’t need the fossil fuels anymore. My solar panels will produce for the next 30+ years and power my EV with very little effort or maintaining, whereas the fuel I used to drive my ICE car to the store yesterday is gone forever and will need millions of years of dead things to recreate.

This is literally using fossil fuels to create renewable energy, which is the ultimate sane and responsible way to use the energy from fossil fuels.

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

Mashimo wrote: post #26
cmxch wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just buy a Textron golf cart and you have 90% of the Chinese EV experience.

Are you saying all cars that are manufactured in China are rubbish? Because that is just plain wrong.

It's the same propaganda that was used against Japan and Korean cars. Asia = bad, America = good.
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