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Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by mxfh »

therealmarv wrote: post #63

Meanwhile I'm still dreaming about any consumer and affordable 32TB or even 16TB portable SSD. Innovation and market for consumers are going backwards. Funny thing is that one of the best you can get is the Crucial (Micron) 8TB one but even that one gets more expensive. I have the feeling it will be gone completely soon.

Nobody is stopping anyone from buying a USB-C powered and connected very portable 2 or 4 slot external NVMe enclosures.

The old SATA SSD form factor is dead and wont come back.

OWC ThunderBlades exist, but 32TB will set you back 9 grand.

You should be able to assemble something with USB-C for under 5k. That's not a mass consumer market thing, but perfectly doable, if your use case warrants it. We are stuck with 2021 pricing, but now with options of 8TB per NVMe drive at way higher speed.

36TB+ HHD external WD drive combos were always around EUR 1000 over last 5 years. With a short low end around EUR 600 in 2023

https://www.owc.com/solutions/thunderblade?sku=OWCTB3TBL8X32

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by kjs3 »

userbinator wrote: post #16

QLC NAND The datasheet shows 3GB/s sequential write, which for 245.76TB means writing the whole drive takes around 22h45m. Odd that the endurance is specified as "1.0 SDWPD", which is almost meaningless since the drive takes roughly that long to write at full speed. At scale, 1.9 times more energy is required for an HDD deployment ...but those HDDs are going to hold data for far more than twice as long. It's especial…

This is an ad, not a spec sheet. The vast majority of the people buying this understand the endurance and retention characteristics of this type of device. It isn't going on Amazon or Best Buy, and the target market knows how to ask the right questions.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#104

Post by mrtksn »

hikarudo wrote: post #97
dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

It's not a market failure, it's just supply and demand. There are many computer components competing for the same resources (fabs, wafers). Demand for GPUs, RAM etc. has increased a lot due to AI, but supply is still the same due to new fabs being huge investments that take years to build. Of course the price goes up.

It is a market failure as the markets fail to cater for the demand due to structural factors. It’s basically designing database structure that causes huge latency due to use pattern changes and you are not able to alter the structure because that will demand even more painful downtime and latency and the pattern may eventually change and make the alterations redundant.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#105

Post by close04 »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #85
close04 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prices aren't going down for large consumer drives because the market is so small, and because the AI DC market is swallowing up everything. There's little demand from your average consumer to have 30TB of storage, let alone specifically SSDs. The average user doesn't have that much data, and if they do a HDD is fine for any practical purpose. Despite the recent AI bubble you can still buy HDDs in the tens of TBs…

>The average user doesn't have that much data The average user consumes that much quite regularly. They've been taught to stream it off of someone else's computer, mostly so that the next time they stream it they can be compelled to pay for it again. It's fun going back to dumb terminals.

Consuming and needing to store are very different things. Most media is disposable, one-time consumption. How many people stored the newspapers they read?

Why would you want to store every movie or series you watch? 30TB of data is something like 1 year of uninterrupted streaming at average Netflix 4K bitrates. Even more at HD bit rates. How many people would ever store years worth of movies on SSDs no less? Enough for it to drive huge sales in the market?

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#106

Post by ciupicri »

rbanffy wrote: post #26
cyberax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the cost of 24 of them, you can probably buy solid silver heatsinks watercooled with tears of sysadmins.

I was going to say blood of virgins, but tears are probably better heat conductors.

I tempted to say that blood is better one. Among other things blood has iron, while tears just salt. Last, but not least it's for thermoregulation of the body.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#107

Post by wtallis »

delamon wrote: post #39
crote wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps their usual buyers just care less about retention? Those drives aren't going to be used for cold storage, and it is basically a guarantee that there will be checksums and some form of redundancy. Who cares whether the data is retained for 10 or for 15 years after writing when you can do a low-priority background scrub of the entire drive once a month, and when there are already mechanisms in place to account…

QLC retention reported to be around 1 year in unpowered state. I would assume, that drive does background refresh, though. No idea what effect it has on total drive lifetime. It is still mean that if you use it for cold storage it has to be powered.

A drive's write endurance rating is derived at least in part from the JEDEC standard data retention requirements: 1 year at 30C for consumer drives, 3 months at 40C for enterprise drives, IIRC. Thus, a drive that has reached the end of its rated write endurance can be expected to have those retention characteristics. A drive that hasn't been subjected to that much wear will have significantly longer retention.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#108

Post by giancarlostoro »

dwa3592 wrote: post #86

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

When I was 18 I was hoping we'd have 500TB hard drives by now.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#109

Post by ciupicri »

kjs3 wrote: post #102
userbinator wrote: post #16

QLC NAND The datasheet shows 3GB/s sequential write, which for 245.76TB means writing the whole drive takes around 22h45m. Odd that the endurance is specified as "1.0 SDWPD", which is almost meaningless since the drive takes roughly that long to write at full speed. At scale, 1.9 times more energy is required for an HDD deployment ...but those HDDs are going to hold data for far more than twice as long. It's especial…

This is an ad, not a spec sheet. The vast majority of the people buying this understand the endurance and retention characteristics of this type of device. It isn't going on Amazon or Best Buy, and the target market knows how to ask the right questions.

You're right. Facebook / Meta has advocated for QLC SSDs https://engineering.fb.com/2025/03/04/data-center-engineerin...

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

#110

Post by throw0101c »

mrtksn wrote: post #104
hikarudo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a market failure, it's just supply and demand. There are many computer components competing for the same resources (fabs, wafers). Demand for GPUs, RAM etc. has increased a lot due to AI, but supply is still the same due to new fabs being huge investments that take years to build. Of course the price goes up.

It is a market failure as the markets fail to cater for the demand due to structural factors. It’s basically designing database structure that causes huge latency due to use pattern changes and you are not able to alter the structure because that will demand even more painful downtime and latency and the pattern may eventually change and make the alterations redundant.

> It is a market failure as the markets fail to cater for the demand due to structural factors.

The Market™ is perhaps going after higher margins. If you can charge $200 instead of $100 for a widget, why wouldn't you?

Ideally at some point someone will see the margins and be motivated to go after some of it and offer things for $190, but the ROI on upfront fab costs given market risks may not be high enough for the business uncertainly that needs to be taken (boom-bust cycles).

No participant in The Market is obligated to "cater" to demand if they do not think the juice is worth the squeeze.

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