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Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by close04 »

therealmarv wrote: post #63

Meanwhile I'm still dreaming about any consumer and affordable 32TB or even 16TB portable SSD. Innovation and market for consumers are going backwards. Funny thing is that one of the best you can get is the Crucial (Micron) 8TB one but even that one gets more expensive. I have the feeling it will be gone completely soon.

The prices aren't going down for large consumer drives because the market is so small, and because the AI DC market is swallowing up everything. There's little demand from your average consumer to have 30TB of storage, let alone specifically SSDs. The average user doesn't have that much data, and if they do a HDD is fine for any practical purpose.

Despite the recent AI bubble you can still buy HDDs in the tens of TBs for a few hundred EUR/USD and you still don't see them in every computer. How high could the 30TB SSD demand be to justify the kind of volumes that drive price down?

In the DC it's the opposite, large and efficient drives are a must to save support all those fancy workloads while driving down space, power, cooling needs.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by chiph »

close04 wrote: post #81
therealmarv wrote: post #63

Meanwhile I'm still dreaming about any consumer and affordable 32TB or even 16TB portable SSD. Innovation and market for consumers are going backwards. Funny thing is that one of the best you can get is the Crucial (Micron) 8TB one but even that one gets more expensive. I have the feeling it will be gone completely soon.

The prices aren't going down for large consumer drives because the market is so small, and because the AI DC market is swallowing up everything. There's little demand from your average consumer to have 30TB of storage, let alone specifically SSDs. The average user doesn't have that much data, and if they do a HDD is fine for any practical purpose. Despite the recent AI bubble you can still buy HDDs in the tens of TBs…

A few months ago I finished building a new media server based on UnRaid. I populated it with WD 26TB drives. At the time they were about $400 (steep, but a decent capacity/dollar buy). Now they are nearly $1000 on Amazon, a 250% increase. I just hope I don't have a drive failure.

With regards to the new Micron SSD - I wonder how they keep it cool? I don't see coolant ports on it so they must strap a heatsink on.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by close04 »

chiph wrote: post #82
close04 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prices aren't going down for large consumer drives because the market is so small, and because the AI DC market is swallowing up everything. There's little demand from your average consumer to have 30TB of storage, let alone specifically SSDs. The average user doesn't have that much data, and if they do a HDD is fine for any practical purpose. Despite the recent AI bubble you can still buy HDDs in the tens of TBs…

A few months ago I finished building a new media server based on UnRaid. I populated it with WD 26TB drives. At the time they were about $400 (steep, but a decent capacity/dollar buy). Now they are nearly $1000 on Amazon, a 250% increase. I just hope I don't have a drive failure. With regards to the new Micron SSD - I wonder how they keep it cool? I don't see coolant ports on it so they must strap a heatsink on.

The product brief says maximum 30W and it looks like the whole enclosure is a heatsink, even has ribs on the back. The expected operating temp is 50C but it's probably rated to operate at higher than that.

P.S. I had to shuck 20TB WD drives that cost 350EUR on sale (now at 400EUR). 26TB drives are now ~700EUR. These external drives were the cheap option. Standalone drives usually cost more.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

close04 wrote: post #81
therealmarv wrote: post #63

Meanwhile I'm still dreaming about any consumer and affordable 32TB or even 16TB portable SSD. Innovation and market for consumers are going backwards. Funny thing is that one of the best you can get is the Crucial (Micron) 8TB one but even that one gets more expensive. I have the feeling it will be gone completely soon.

The prices aren't going down for large consumer drives because the market is so small, and because the AI DC market is swallowing up everything. There's little demand from your average consumer to have 30TB of storage, let alone specifically SSDs. The average user doesn't have that much data, and if they do a HDD is fine for any practical purpose. Despite the recent AI bubble you can still buy HDDs in the tens of TBs…

>The average user doesn't have that much data

The average user consumes that much quite regularly. They've been taught to stream it off of someone else's computer, mostly so that the next time they stream it they can be compelled to pay for it again. It's fun going back to dumb terminals.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by dwa3592 »

We bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now.

EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by _zoltan_ »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #73
throwaway2037 wrote: post #53

I checked the specs here: https://www.micron.com/content/dam/micron/global/public/prod... The interface looks equiv to 4x PCIe 5.0. > Sequential read (MB/s): 13,700 > Sequential write (MB/s): 2,700 That is pretty awful write performance. Does anyone know more about this? I assume all of these hyperdense SSDs suffer from the same drawback. Also, I heard that the E3.L interface can support up to 16x lanes, but there ar…

Extremely dense QLC chips. Still it's 2700-3000MByte, ie ~3GByte/second. What should worry way more is DWPD which is abysmal... on the first glance. But if you punch it in the calc it still would take ages to wear it out. SSD #1 SSD #2 SSD #3 Capacity (GB) 245000 245000 245000 Warranty (yr.) 3 3 3 DWPD 0.3 1 0.075 TBW (TB) 80482 268275 20121 TBW (PB) 80.483 268.275 20.121 PBW 80.483 268.275 20.121 GB/day 73500 245000…

DWPD was the boogey man 10 years ago. everybody worried about it.

now, nobody cares. I have over 500 NVMe drives in our deployment and the drive deaths are not due to wear.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by mgerdts »

Aboutplants wrote: post #66

“For AI workloads: The 245TB Micron 6600 ION provided up to 84 times better energy efficiency” How big of a deal is this part in relation to the initial upfront costs? I’m not privy to the cost of power for SSD

A big consideration for efficiency and TCO calculations is the number of servers required to house the drives. NVMe drives tend not to be in external JBOF enclosures.

Fewer servers means fewer cpus, less RAM, fewer fans, and maybe fewer switches.

Re: 245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping

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Post by roygbiv2 »

cyberax wrote: post #24
MadnessASAP wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently TDP is 30 watts¹, according to the product brief. I would imagine it's a single PCB with flash chips on both sides then thermally bonded to the aluminum chassis. That should keep all chips at approximately the same temperature. On its own it could be easily air cooled, but with 24 in a 2U chassis you'll be having some decently hefty forced air over the drives. 1. For comparison, an HDD usually comes in aro…

Given the cost of 24 of them, you can probably buy solid silver heatsinks watercooled with tears of sysadmins.

The tears of sysadmins are fairly cheap though.
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