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Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by stfu »

zeru wrote: post #26
wildranter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you generalize like that you're being narrow minded as the people you're criticizing. Instead, like Feynman, you should take what's best from religion to improve yourself, and ignore the rest. History shows the average human being is stupid, so don't be average.

Well, would you disagree with that the world would be a better place without religion in this day and age?

It depends. I would say that religions give a lot of people a meaningful life by providing values, hope and guidance on what they should aspire to. But there are always those on the extreme fringes, who make the rest look bad.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by _delirium »

pretoriusB wrote: post #16
guard-of-terra wrote: post #3

I hope that people who still think religions "make people better than they would otherwise be" are happy now.

Well, nobody said that about all religions (e.g not for "virgin sacrificing daemon worship" -- though it does sound fun), and for all people practicing them. Christianity didn't make Torquemada any good, but it worked quite well for St. Aquinas. With that said, the story doesn't have much to do with religion. The guy who funeral they said shouldn't matter was a political leader, not a priest. The guys that sued/prose…

> With that said, the story doesn't have much to do with religion. The guy who funeral they said shouldn't matter was a political leader, not a priest.

He was also more of a national/ethnic leader than a religious one, with religion only serving as a convenient delineating factor for the "nation" he represented, and even then, only later in his career. He started out as a Marathi ethnic-nationalist, and then started adopting elements of Hindutva as a way of broadening his "brand" to non-Marathis.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by guard-of-terra »

zoul wrote: post #17
guard-of-terra wrote: post #3

I hope that people who still think religions "make people better than they would otherwise be" are happy now.

This is an unfair generalization. Also please note that religion does not equal faith .

I don't blame faith. Faith is your fundamental right. But I do blame religion.

The word is 'anticlericalism'.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by citricsquid »

zeru wrote: post #26
wildranter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you generalize like that you're being narrow minded as the people you're criticizing. Instead, like Feynman, you should take what's best from religion to improve yourself, and ignore the rest. History shows the average human being is stupid, so don't be average.

Well, would you disagree with that the world would be a better place without religion in this day and age?

Religion is like almost anything, it's serves a valuable purpose for a huge number of people but there are some that abuse it. The world is a messed up place for a large amount of people, if the idea that there's a higher being that they're doing this for and that idea is what they need to keep going where's the problem?

I guess ultimately the world would be better without religion if you only consider the negatives, but if the world is better without religion then it's also better without alcohol, drugs, cars, love, internet, business...

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by z3phyr »

rockyj wrote: post #25
guard-of-terra wrote: post #3

I hope that people who still think religions "make people better than they would otherwise be" are happy now.

Bal Thackeray has nothing to do with religion, he was more like a far right politician. In India there is a huge celebrity cult (people get crazy about politicians / actors / sportsmen) and Bal T's followers / goons virtually own Mumbai. I live in India and it is becoming a police state much like China, people have been arrested just for criticizing politicians on Twitter. Anything I say online can hurt anyone so I s…

”much like china”

I beg to differ...

India is finding its own path, and well, it's still mostly democratic.. Much like the USA.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by nleach »

A co-worker in Mumbai also made some controversial statements on Facebook. He's absolutely fine, but just about every one of his friends scolded him for being so brazen. I was out of the city for the weekend, but by all accounts it was a terrible place to be.

This news is not terribly surprising, though as many have said, likely not true. It is extremely indicative of the immense gap between India and more developed nations.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by thewarrior »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #3

I hope that people who still think religions "make people better than they would otherwise be" are happy now.

Its not religion to blame here . Its the law . Here is the relevant section : >>Any person who sends, by means of a computer resource or a communication device,-

>>a) any information that is grossly offensive or has menacing character; or

>>b) any information which he knows to be false, but for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience, danger, obstruction, insult, injury, criminal intimidation, enmity, hatred, or ill will, persistently makes by making use of such computer resource or a communication device,

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by guard-of-terra »

stfu wrote: post #31
zeru wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, would you disagree with that the world would be a better place without religion in this day and age?

It depends. I would say that religions give a lot of people a meaningful life by providing values, hope and guidance on what they should aspire to. But there are always those on the extreme fringes, who make the rest look bad.

It seems faith should be like a prescription drug: it should be practiced by people who need it. But instead it's like illegal drug, which is used by all kinds of people and it hurts a sizable chunk of them: and also makes their relatives' lives tougher.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by wildranter »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #30
wildranter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you generalize like that you're being narrow minded as the people you're criticizing. Instead, like Feynman, you should take what's best from religion to improve yourself, and ignore the rest. History shows the average human being is stupid, so don't be average.

Can I take not being arrested? Because this seems to be the best thing the religions don't provide. Also can I take religion not being shoven in my face? Because where I live (Russia) this seems to be the trend despite decades of atheist state. The problem with religions is that you can't always opt out.

Ah! I see what bothers you. It's the lack of respect for free speech, it pisses me off too.

On one side we have these somewhat free states driven by a set of religious values. On the other side we have totalitarian atheists regimes driven by a set of sociological principles. And in the middle we find ourselves without acces to basic rights like free speech.

I frequently ask myself how could we solve that without hurting others rights.

I wonder what fellow HNrs think about that.

Re: Mumbai girl arrested for Facebook post

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Post by [deleted] »

capred wrote: post #24

Although this girl might be arrested today, this general trend (growing accessibility to information) will show more and more people that there is a world beyond their immediate experience and what they are being told by people like Bal is false. Bal Thackeray was a bigot. He sought and exploited communal tensions and it's a shame that one can't openly criticize such a reprehensible person. Furthermore, his party Shi…

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