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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by jayflux »

iso1631 wrote: post #25
retrac98 wrote: post #6

Fuel (diesel, specifically) in the UK is getting towards $10/gallon, so not surprising really!

Fuel in the UK is £1.58 a litre (£1.48 at one garage I passed today, £1.61 at another, some garages are certainly profiteering) In 2022 is was £1.89 a litre and spent most of the year over £1.60 a litre Adjusted for inflation that would be most of the year at £1.85, and a high of £2.18 a litre https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time From 2011 to 2014 petrol was about £1.30 a litre. Adjusted for in…

> In 2022 is was £1.89 a litre and spent most of the year over £1.60 a litre

Why are you choosing the 2022 energy crises as your baseline? Not only your choice was arbitary but you managed to choose the year fuel was at its highest as a reaction to the war in Ukraine.

That price was not representative or typical, it was a spike. You can see it here.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/time...

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Post by loudmax »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #148
rsynnott wrote: post #27

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> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

In theory, a PHEV is the perfect middle ground for someone that wants to drive electric but has major range anxiety about road trips. Something with a 60 mile electric range will likely satisfy all of their day-to-day driving. The generator means they don't have to charge though, so they can still take road trips without worrying about electric range. In practice though, they're somewhat impractical. You still need a…

My Prius Prime PHEV has a range of about 25 miles on battery. My daily commute to work is about 10 miles each way, so I can get to work and back on electric alone. If I happen to need to make a longer trip, then my car switches to gas. I plug in the car when I get home from work and I only need to refill the tank every few months. And even then, it's extremely fuel efficient because it's still a Prius.

This has been a perfect car for my use case, but the big caveat is my short commute. If your daily commute fits inside that short range (or one way commute if there's a charger at your workplace), this can be a great fit. A+++, highly recommended.

If your work commute is significantly longer than a PHEV's battery range, or if you don't have a convenient place to charge it, then it's a much less attractive proposition.

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Post by mschild »

londons_explore wrote: post #175
mschild wrote: post #154

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Not only somewhat impractical. Most people don't end up charging their battery because it still has an ICE so why bother? So now they have the worst of both worlds. Complex ICE machinery that needs regular service and heavy battery that doesn't end up being used.

Still gives decent efficiency improvements. You can always run the ICE at most efficient RPM. Never need to idle it, etc. You can also have a much smaller engine for a much bigger car, since you only need to cover average not peak power usage. You also in most designs eliminate the gearbox.

If you charge the battery, sure. Most people simply don't.

Data collected across 600.000 vehicles in Europe show that most people don't and that emissions are just a smidge under typical ICE vehicles. If you factor in the high emissions produced during battery productions it looks to be an overall bad package.

The idea itself is certainly good but the real world simply doesn't show it.

https://www.evshift.com/368695/do-people-actually-charge-the...

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Post by Symbiote »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #57
iso1631 wrote: post #42

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Electric price in the uk on an off peak tariff overnight is about 7p/kWh, or about 2p/mile, so charging your car overnight with the average electric mileage (10,000 miles a year - higher than the average mileage) costs £200, about £1300 a year less than petrol.

Can you actually get different tariffs in the UK for residential? In Canada most of that is pretty opaque. Electricity tariffs are not really something that most households would worry about. Businesses and Industrial usage do though

A simple day and night tariff was introduced at some point in the 1980s in the UK.

Most places I lived had this set up.

(Nowadays smart meters offer many more options.)

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Post by loudmax »

jeffbee wrote: post #188
numpad0 wrote: post #117

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I wouldn't be sure if that's often the case, most PHEVs are just minor upgrades over existing hybrids. The electric motors on most hybrids, except the Nissan system, tend to only cover zero to city speeds. They need the gas engine connected to handle highway and ramp situations.

This is not true. Popular PHEVs like the Prius Prime can go any speed you like on batteries.

Yes, my Prius Prime handles highway speeds perfectly fine on battery. In fact, the acceleration is great in pure EV mode.

It just doesn't have much range: only about 25 miles on my 2018 model. Newer models advertise up to 44 miles on EV.

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Post by flakeoil »

bloak wrote: post #2

I am so confused by the categorisation of cars: BEV, HEV, PHEV and so on. I think the industry insiders who write some of these articles don't realise how hard it is for some of their readers to keep track.

Quite frankly, today there is no need to look anywhere else than a pure electric car. No point to buy an ICE with battery + electric motor. It just adds complexity and makes it expensive to service. The newly released EVs today are so good and have fantastic range.

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Post by dalyons »

jeffbee wrote: post #188
numpad0 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be sure if that's often the case, most PHEVs are just minor upgrades over existing hybrids. The electric motors on most hybrids, except the Nissan system, tend to only cover zero to city speeds. They need the gas engine connected to handle highway and ramp situations.

This is not true. Popular PHEVs like the Prius Prime can go any speed you like on batteries.

It is true. most are much worse at being EVs than the toyota prime models. Toyotas were the top of the euro data on real world EV-only use. Every other manufacturer ranges from worse to hilariously worse. Toyotas are not over half of sales, so therefore "most" applies.

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Post by bluebarbet »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #186
Zigurd wrote: post #162

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All of the German car makers, plus Hyundai, are very serious about making really good mainstream electric vehicles because they all believe that will be their core of their business sooner rather than later.

> All of the German car makers The basic Seat Leon combi is currently 22.000€ on promotion. And that's a spacious family car. No EV car exist at that price point in that size with a range that most people would be comfortable with it. Yes they will exist in the future but we are still a decade away from that at least.

>we are still a decade away

How much will you spend on fuel during that decade? Seems likely it will be more than today's upfront cost differential. Possibly a lot more.

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Post by lenerdenator »

mrob wrote: post #210
lenerdenator wrote: post #140

Interesting how that doesn't seem to be a front where Europe wants to isolate itself from foreign influence; the models mentioned in the link seem to be Chinese in origin, not European.

Unlike with fuel, we're not burning the EVs, so even if China cuts off the supply we can keep using the ones we've already got. It would be inconvenient, but not an urgent problem like loss of access to fuel.

It's less about fuel and more about industrial dependence.

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Post by dalyons »

traderj0e wrote: post #161
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

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Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

Seems like PHEV can mean it only goes 15-30mi on a charge. Realistically how many people are actually plugging those in?

lot of comments speculating but we have the data.

> Realistically how many people are actually plugging those in?

Answer: almost no one. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/16/plug-in-...

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