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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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I am so confused by the categorisation of cars: BEV, HEV, PHEV and so on. I think the industry insiders who write some of these articles don't realise how hard it is for some of their readers to keep track.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

Seems like PHEV can mean it only goes 15-30mi on a charge. Realistically how many people are actually plugging those in?

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Imagine how much faster electric car adoption would be if incumbent auto makers weren’t using them as dumping grounds for experimental, half-baked, and unsafe design experiments? We never wanted their “electric cars” … we wanted their cars, but electric .

All of the German car makers, plus Hyundai, are very serious about making really good mainstream electric vehicles because they all believe that will be their core of their business sooner rather than later.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

In theory, a PHEV is the perfect middle ground for someone that wants to drive electric but has major range anxiety about road trips. Something with a 60 mile electric range will likely satisfy all of their day-to-day driving. The generator means they don't have to charge though, so they can still take road trips without worrying about electric range. In practice though, they're somewhat impractical. You still need a…

Small batteries mean heavy cycling of those batteries. When on pure EV, the oversized battery means most days you sit in the middle third of the battery which is great for battery longevity.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Eh, last year I was paying the equivalent of £0.38 per liter over here in the States ($2 a gallon gas, $3.30 or so for diesel). "Insanely cheap" for the UK to feels really strange for those of us way over here who tend to forget how good we have it.

> tend to forget how good we have it That is an interesting perspective. We do not forget how good we have it, because we choose not to put high taxes on gasoline and diesel. Do drivers in the UK tend to forget that taxes are more than half the retail price they pay at the pump? Sometimes way over half. That is a policy decision.

Depending on where this crisis goes, it’ll be interesting to see what effect it has.

America seems to have a lot of large vehicles that use a lot of fuel. The UK less so.

The tax will have played a part in this (how much?).

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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What I mean is that if salary sacrifice schemes on EV were only used, and very good deals, for people over 100k then it would be extremely niche as we're talking about the top 4% of earners whereas about 16% are higher band taxpayers...

People on higher salaries are disproportionately likely to be the ones doing it though - much much more likely to work for companies that implement the schemes for a start.

Yes, "higher salaries" as in higher tax band (median salary is 39k, higher tax band starts at 50k), which impacts 16% of people. That's why it has an notable impact on sales and also on the used cars market (salary sacrifice schemes are usually PCP/leasing over 3-4 years).

Perhaps it is the "London bubble" on HN as I feel that no-one is registering that 100k+ is a really, really small minority...

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Eh, last year I was paying the equivalent of £0.38 per liter over here in the States ($2 a gallon gas, $3.30 or so for diesel). "Insanely cheap" for the UK to feels really strange for those of us way over here who tend to forget how good we have it.

> tend to forget how good we have it That is an interesting perspective. We do not forget how good we have it, because we choose not to put high taxes on gasoline and diesel. Do drivers in the UK tend to forget that taxes are more than half the retail price they pay at the pump? Sometimes way over half. That is a policy decision.

In the US, roads are paid for by other taxes instead. Property taxes for local roads, and general fund monies (income, sales, and inflation) for highways. Unfortunately that hides the real cost of using the roads, and makes it harder for people to make good choices. This seems unlikely to change though.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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And you can claim you have anxiety in order to get a brand new Audi. So it’s a government scheme which buys people cars. It’s not independent, because it derives all of its income from the government and uses it to buy people brand new top of the range cars.

> And you can claim you have anxiety in order to get a brand new Audi. You're gonna have to cite sources on that one, but I would sincerely doubt that £77 a week will allow you to lease an Audi. Also the pip claimant has to be probed by a panel every three years to keep getting the benefit, unlike say a state pension (but I paid for that I mean possibly you did, its still a non means tested benefit, unlike PIP)

Not the OP but they have since been removed as they were luxury cars, but yes £77 a week did use to cover it. Here is the source directly from Audi:

https://media.audi.com/is/content/audi/country/uk/en/find-an...

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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EVs aren’t exactly new; there’s a deep, accessble secondhand market by now. I’ve been using a 2019 Nissan Leaf as a primary family car for two years now, that I picked up off Gumtree for around £3k. It’s been one of the best (little) cars I’ve ever owned. Not saying new EVs aren’t pricey, but if you want into electric on a budget (i.e. because you don’t feel like you can afford to fill up on diesel) it can absolutely…

If you're savvy you can get a really good discount on a second-hand EV as well because people overestimate the wear on the batteries and assume a second-hand EV will have terrible range.

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Yeah, but you'll have a new car. Obviously if you don't need a new car, it's a really bad financial decision to buy one. And even if you do, it might be a bad financial decision to buy one.

> Obviously if you don't need a new car, it's a really bad financial decision to buy one. I dunno .... At least two EV manufacturers offer a 7 year warranty on new cars on all parts INCLUDING the battery.

Replacing whatever is broken in your 10-year old car will on the net cost less than the amortized cost of buying a new one.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Donald Trump and Beniamin Netanyahu in a single year did more to curb emissions than all green activists since the inception of green activism. Nobel Peace Prize worthy if you ask me!

Reverse psychology works very well on Trump but probably not Netanyahu.

Possibly not in this instance though, as Trump has a FIFA Peace Prize already.
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