In an agentic world, the OS needs to be completely rethought. For example, every single app functionality should be exposable via an API while remaining human friendly. I think OpenAI designing their own phone is the next logical step. I hope they succeed which should bring major competition to Apple and Android.
Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
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Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#62Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#63I saw Codex was screenshotting, then clicking around. I just stopped it and never used that again. Using CLI tools is much faster and token-efficient. I developed ten apps in the last two months. One reached 10,000+ monthly active users. I ask Codex to generate SVG line by line and backtrack edit, ask it to use Inkscape to generate icons, etc... I developed all this on $20 codex sub.
I think it's the third or forth time I see you bragging about HN how many apps you're able to develop with AI now. Care to link any of them, especially where we can see the actual code that you've produced here? Without being able to see actual results, I'm not sure what you want people to take away from your repeated comments.
Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's the third or forth time I see you bragging about HN how many apps you're able to develop with AI now. Care to link any of them, especially where we can see the actual code that you've produced here? Without being able to see actual results, I'm not sure what you want people to take away from your repeated comments.
I only write here because people are spreading doomerism here with AI and I am excited about future. Well I am competing with geoip provider like maxmind. I developed custom traceroute and ping service to geolocate IPs with very high accuracy beating products like digital element, maxmind, ipinfo These companies have huge teams. But my 3 people company already beat them. Code doesn't matter much, it's not an opensour…
Heh, you're in for a rude awakening, sometime in the future :) But I won't spoil the surprise, you clearly have made up your mind about what to focus on.
> My free app is http://macrocodex.app which I've developed along with a fitness coach.
Crazy, this app you've run for ~1-2 months has 10K active users already, even though there is zero info about who runs it, zero reviews, and says "Download on the App Store" on the landing page even though you then ask people to use the web app, impressive.
I don't think anyone said using AI can't produce a ton of code really quickly, and no one is finding that difficult to manage either. But most of us software engineers are trying to build long-lasting codebases with AI too, then "less === better" typically, so it's not about being able to spit out features as fast as possible, but avoid the evergrowing codebase from collapsing on top of itself, and each prompt not getting slower and slower, but as fast as on a greenfield project.
Sounds like you've found the holy grail of being able to avoid that, kudos if so. Judging by you giving zero care to how the design and architecture actually is, I kind of find that hard to believe. But, if it works for you, it works for you, not up to me or others to dictate how you build stuff, hope you enjoy it, however you build stuff :)
Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#65When you think of everything it takes for an AI to use what the article calls a "vision agent" then it seems as if using a purpose-made API ought to be MANY orders of magnitude faster.
Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the most seductive (and destructive) forces in software is the desire to rewrite from scratch because rewrites never, ever, ever go as planned. With AI, we're now thinking it's a good idea to rewrite the entire platform from the ground-up. Wild.
except every single piece of progress that we have is the result of trying to do things a different way. so unless you really think we've reached the pinnacle of operating system design, there has to be some room for this?
The modern javascript ecosystem is a perfect example of what happens when everyone tries to rebuild from scratch and it's a nightmare.
Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#67I don't think any new app should ever be specifically designed for AI to interact with them through computer use
Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#68Re: Computer Use is 45x more expensive than structured APIs
#69In an agentic world, the OS needs to be completely rethought. For example, every single app functionality should be exposable via an API while remaining human friendly. I think OpenAI designing their own phone is the next logical step. I hope they succeed which should bring major competition to Apple and Android.
The future is "dark OSs" - OSes with no human users.