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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by LeoPanthera »

iso1631 wrote: post #36
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys" The only energy input for a "hybrid" is from petrol. It's slightly more efficient. A Toyota Yaris 1.5 hubrid gets about 65mpg rather than the 45mpg on a Skoda Kamiq https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/skoda/kamiq-2023 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/real…

> Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys"

Not really. The petrol drivetrain takes up so much room there's no space for a large battery, so the much smaller battery will only take you a short distance if you used it alone, plus now it's much less efficient because you're carrying around a heavy engine with you.

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Post by rootusrootus »

walthamstow wrote: post #32
oblio wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And EREV, the only hybrid that makes sense.

Is that extended range? I was reading about them the other day. A small ICE engine in the car but it only charges the battery, right? Basically the opposite of a Toyota hybrid.

Yes, also known as a series hybrid, though EREV has become the dominant term in my experience. Nearly all hybrids on the market today or at any time in the past have been parallel hybrids, where the electric and gas motors both attach to the drivetrain. BMW did make an EREV version of the i3. Chevy made the Volt, which was almost a series hybrid, but in the end still parallel.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by vkou »

swiftcoder wrote: post #53
iso1631 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys" The only energy input for a "hybrid" is from petrol. It's slightly more efficient. A Toyota Yaris 1.5 hubrid gets about 65mpg rather than the 45mpg on a Skoda Kamiq https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/skoda/kamiq-2023 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/real…

> Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys" They put tiny batteries in a lot of plug-in hybrids. Unless you live very close to work, you’ll struggle to use it as primarily an EV

Commuter[1] PHEVs start at 30 miles EV range.

Which is ~enough to cover the vast majority of commutes, and the majority of US commutes.

Keep in mind that even if 20% of your commute is done on petrol, the other 80% isn't.

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[1] Yes, there are PHEVs with shorter ranges, but those tend to be weird luxury models that for some compliance reason have a battery strapped to them.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by rootusrootus »

afavour wrote: post #61
theginger wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of fast chargers are over $1 per kwh so unless you have access to home charging there isn't much room for savings.

But compared to the US home charging via a mains outlet is much more viable because it's 240v vs 110v. If you plug you car overnight you'll typically have enough charge to last you the next day.

The US is 240V. We split it into two 120V legs for some sockets, and not for others. Some people do choose to get by on 120V, true, but they are the minority. Usually people who do not drive often.

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Post by longwave »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #57
iso1631 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric price in the uk on an off peak tariff overnight is about 7p/kWh, or about 2p/mile, so charging your car overnight with the average electric mileage (10,000 miles a year - higher than the average mileage) costs £200, about £1300 a year less than petrol.

Can you actually get different tariffs in the UK for residential? In Canada most of that is pretty opaque. Electricity tariffs are not really something that most households would worry about. Businesses and Industrial usage do though

Yes, there are multiple competing providers - all the electricity comes from a single grid but competition in how you are billed for usage.

Many people choose a single fixed or variable rate tariff, but there are also off-peak tariffs that are very cheap at night but slightly more expensive in the day (designed for EV users), or even tariffs where the rate changes every 30 minutes depending on what is being generated - in this case when there is excess solar and wind generation then sometimes the rate even goes negative and you are paid to use the excess power.

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Post by benj111 »

iso1631 wrote: post #25
retrac98 wrote: post #6

Fuel (diesel, specifically) in the UK is getting towards $10/gallon, so not surprising really!

Fuel in the UK is £1.58 a litre (£1.48 at one garage I passed today, £1.61 at another, some garages are certainly profiteering) In 2022 is was £1.89 a litre and spent most of the year over £1.60 a litre Adjusted for inflation that would be most of the year at £1.85, and a high of £2.18 a litre https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time From 2011 to 2014 petrol was about £1.30 a litre. Adjusted for in…

Yes well people like to complain, and people have a short memory. If it were really a massive problem you would see a lot more smaller cars, rather than Range Rovers and BMWs.

We will see exactly the same thing again in a few years when people are 'shocked' that prices are rising again. And then expect the government to step in, even though on the interim they've bought a massive car on PCP rather than take some personal responsibility and buy a car that they can afford when inevitably something goes wrong.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by baq »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #77

Why is the most unsaid part out of all of this fuel nonsense is that there are less cars dumping emissions into the air. The Iran war may be the best driver we've had for air quality. Bring more EVs, they're overdue by a decade.

Donald Trump and Beniamin Netanyahu in a single year did more to curb emissions than all green activists since the inception of green activism. Nobel Peace Prize worthy if you ask me!

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by joshl32532 »

afavour wrote: post #61
theginger wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of fast chargers are over $1 per kwh so unless you have access to home charging there isn't much room for savings.

But compared to the US home charging via a mains outlet is much more viable because it's 240v vs 110v. If you plug you car overnight you'll typically have enough charge to last you the next day.

Most homes in US built after 1980s(?) have electrical panels with 240V.

It's used for dryer, stove etc.

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