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Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by moepstar »

rsynnott wrote: post #27
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home And, in practice, the battery tends to be much, much bigger. Some PHEVs are basically mediocre-range electric cars which happen to have a petrol generator.

Which ones?

A colleague drives a BMW 3something hybrid and as far as i know has a 14kWh battery..

Thats good for about a 100km, but i very much wouldn't consider that a "fully" electric car by any means (edit: did you edit your post? couldve sworn you said "fully electric" instead of "mediocre range"?)...

Also, what most people don't realize: if you're only (or mostly) driving it electric, you're putting many more cycles onto that tiny battery.

...which usually costs as much as a "regular" EV battery, x times the size.

https://evclinic.eu/2024/09/05/bmw-hybrid-repeated-battery-f... for example...

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by iso1631 »

Oras wrote: post #18

Doesn’t increasing fuel price affect the electricity prices, which increases the charging cost?

Electric price in the uk on an off peak tariff overnight is about 7p/kWh, or about 2p/mile, so charging your car overnight with the average electric mileage (10,000 miles a year - higher than the average mileage) costs £200, about £1300 a year less than petrol.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by bluGill »

iso1631 wrote: post #36
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignore the "EV" part. B = Battery H = Hybrid PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home)

> PH = Plug-in hybrid (Same as a hybrid but you can charge up the hybrid battery at home) Surely that's the "same as a battery but you can use petrol on long journeys" The only energy input for a "hybrid" is from petrol. It's slightly more efficient. A Toyota Yaris 1.5 hubrid gets about 65mpg rather than the 45mpg on a Skoda Kamiq https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/skoda/kamiq-2023 https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/real…

Depends on how you use it. Some never plug in. Some always do. I save a ton of money without worrying about range since there is always gas when I make a roadtrip

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by BoppreH »

eldaisfish wrote: post #24
washingupliquid wrote: post #16

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this is the exact kind of misinformation that prevents progress. Brazil does not "fuel" cars on sugarcane any more than the US fuels its cars with corn. No one is missing any forests or trees. What you are missing is that the cost savings in fuel are so large with any EV that by itself, the money saved is an extremely compelling incentive to many people.

> Brazil does not "fuel" cars on sugarcane any more than the US fuels its cars with corn.

In Brazil "ethanol" is sold separately from normal gasoline, and as far as I know it's entirely made from sugar cane, without fossil fuels. It's why flex cars are so popular there, since they can use either fuel depending on what's cheaper.

Meanwhile, you can't buy 100% corn-based fuel in the US.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by alexfoo »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #9
codedokode wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Must heve"?

"Mild Hybrid". Slight boost. I don't know of any on the market, but I'm sure they're there.

I've driven one. Zipcar UK (RIP!) had a few Fiat 500 Hybrids and I ended up with one once when every other nearby Zipcar was booked and I had a last minute need for a car.

Given they are a relatively gutless car to begin with (1 litre 3 cylinder 70hp tinpot engine) I did wonder what the zigzag/lightning icon was on the dash so I googled it.

Turns out the system uses a 11Ah lithium battery that lives under the driver/passenger seat that charges through regenerative braking. It gives a small boost during acceleration (mostly at low speeds so it's more for stop-start urban driving), I think it's not much more than a glorified belt around the crankshaft giving a few extra hp.

No appreciable benefit to it that I could feel, but if it's helping us burn fewer dinosaurs then that's all good. (It's still a car but much better than a massive wankpanzer.)

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

Oras wrote: post #18

Doesn’t increasing fuel price affect the electricity prices, which increases the charging cost?

Electricity generation is already diversified. Nuclear, coal, gas, solar, wood, witches, etc. The fuel mix can be tweaked as the economics change. ICE vehicle fleet is stuck with one energy source.

Re: Two millionth electric car registered as market rebounds from tax changes

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Post by iso1631 »

theginger wrote: post #29
retrac98 wrote: post #6

Fuel (diesel, specifically) in the UK is getting towards $10/gallon, so not surprising really!

A lot of fast chargers are over $1 per kwh so unless you have access to home charging there isn't much room for savings.

Given that the majority of people in the uk have or can have access to home charging it's not a major problem

https://www.racfoundation.org/research/mobility/still-standi...

Wales – 75% of households have – or could have – off-street parking and EV charging England – 68% Scotland – 63%

In London, sure, most homes don't have off-street parking and ev charging, but then only half the households in London have a car

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/travel-in-london-2024-car-ownersh...

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