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It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of people “trapped” in blue states too, if that is how you want to put it.

Blue states are mostly states with large coastal cities, and thus larger incomes.

You seem to forget that those states tend to have rural (red) populations that get affected by the laws the larger population in the cities pass at the state level.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Uh, that's not going to fly. We use a VPN to enable remote users to access our internal network for things we don't want exposed to the public at large. And we're not a tech company. This really sounds like someone who has no fucking clue trying to legislate away all the loopholes to their other shitty legislation.

Perhaps your CEO has less political capital than Meta’s.

Story goes they need proof of humanity for their business (advertising) survive. Pesky things like the continuity of businesses they don’t own, that can be figured out later.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

>relatively little friction That word "relatively" is doing a lot of work in this phrase. 50 options sounds great until you think about the realities of it. As someone who's moved around a half dozen times, shared "values and beliefs" pales in comparison to the practical concerns of jobs, family, climate.

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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> It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs > The law, which takes effect May 6, doesn't make VPNs illegal — but it's a blow to your rights, even if you don't live in Utah. > websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions. They'll also be liable for enforcing age verification for any user within Utah's phy…

Seems like the first part of that law would be struck down on First Amendment challenges. Second would be technically impossible, or the responsibility of VPN providers to somehow forward geo-location information for website operators to consume.

The current iteration of the Supreme Court has made it pretty clear they're going to decide whatever partisan truth they want, and that pesky Bill of Rights will not stand in their way.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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> When Utah's Senate Bill 73 goes into force on May 6, websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions. This will definitely work. It sounds like it's time for some "How not to use a VPN" articles. https://www.grapecollective.com/prohibitions-grape-bricks-ho...

More seriously: what good an age restriction is if it can be circumvented by a VPN?

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them. True when compared to emigrating to another country, which is much harder than most assume. Moving is extremely disruptive if you have a lot of family and friends nearby, though. You go from having a huge community and social circle to almost nothing. Maybe some work friends to begin seeding a new social life, but everything…

Fair point, though I still think it's a pretty good backstop if the worst thing a tyrannical government can do to you is force you to move 100 miles.

I hate slipper slope arguments, but the march to tyranny is a very shallow slope of ice. Tomorrow it's "move 100 miles." Next year it's "pay $100 for the exit toll." In 2030 it's "we only allow 100 people to exit per day."

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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"websites subject to the state's age verification law will be legally barred from explaining how to use a VPN to get around age restrictions" I thought the US has free speech?

It does. That isn’t going to survive judicial review.

It very well could. See the restriction of fictional adult material depicting fictional minors just because there is a theory of those fake materials contributing to viewers becoming predators in the future. Same sort of harm to children logic could be used here.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

> and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them. True when compared to emigrating to another country, which is much harder than most assume. Moving is extremely disruptive if you have a lot of family and friends nearby, though. You go from having a huge community and social circle to almost nothing. Maybe some work friends to begin seeding a new social life, but everything…

The fact that moving is looked at this way, rather than as a chance for transformation is one of the biggest reasons for the current day malaise. Intra-country movement is in most of the developed world at an all time low, yet it's one of the most straight forward ways to change your life.

Culturally, especially in the US, the idea of packing up your bags, going somewhere else, or even to a new frontier used to be a big part of its appeal even and national identity. This isn't in contrast to fighting for things, in fact people do neither and that's probably related because both involve a level of risk and starting over that's now entirely foreign.

Especially in a world that is changing as fast as ours does now not being able or unwilling to start new or reinvent yourself is a big problem. It was the internal superpower of the US compared to other countries that it had so many people who were just willing to go and build a city, or even a state or a new religion somewhere just for the sake of it.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them. True when compared to emigrating to another country, which is much harder than most assume. Moving is extremely disruptive if you have a lot of family and friends nearby, though. You go from having a huge community and social circle to almost nothing. Maybe some work friends to begin seeding a new social life, but everything…

Fair point, though I still think it's a pretty good backstop if the worst thing a tyrannical government can do to you is force you to move 100 miles.

Where are you moving to 100 miles from Salt Lake City?

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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“The internet is built to, and will always, route around censorship. If Utah successfully hampers commercial VPN providers, motivated users will transition to non-commercial proxies, private tunnels through cloud services like AWS, or residential proxies that are virtually indistinguishable from standard home traffic. These workarounds will emerge within hours of the law taking effect. Meanwhile, the collateral damage will fall on businesses, journalists, and survivors of abuse who rely on commercial VPNs for essential data security.

These provisions won't stop a tech-savvy teenager, but they certainly will impact the privacy of every regular Utah resident who just wants to keep their data out of the hands of brokers or malicious actors.”

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/utahs-new-law-regulati... (incl. donation link)

Utah legislators should know the reason the EFF makes this statement is that it’s true.

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