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It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

That mostly works when you're single and without any hard ties.

Uprooting a well grown tree isn't easy.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #31
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IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

That mostly works when you're single and without any hard ties. Uprooting a well grown tree isn't easy.

There's also some double standards. If you walk from Ecuador to Texas, passing through the Darien Gap and one of your kids gets ripped into some river never to be seen again, finally showing up in El Paso to sleep under a bridge until the heat exhaustion goes away, then you are a glorious immigrant who put it all on the line to give your family a better life.

If you hitch-hike from California to Vermont while feeding your kids whatever rats and river water you can dredge up and then set up a tent in the forest until you can score a job at Dollar General, then you are an evil neglectful bastard and the state will be on your ass and take your kids away.

You might be better off actually moving countries if you are broke. Because for whatever reason it is better tolerated because you can just say you were broke and your children went through hard times because the last country was evil or something.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #9

IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

People make tradeoffs when it comes to where to live. You can surely move, but that assumes you have the financial means (if finding a new job is possible for you and your partner, and your children aren't at a point in their lives where moving would be detrimental), the support system, the friend circles, the third spaces and accompanying social systems, the kind of nature and access to that nature that you've grown…

I think people who aren’t or haven’t been poor often don’t realize that moving to another state — or even away from your hometown — is a privilege that is cost prohibitive for many Americans.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #9

IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

That's true in principle, but there's a lot of people trapped in red states who in a practical sense don't have the means to leave. I'm privileged to not have to worry about that friction, but I never forget that others do.

There are lots of people “trapped” in blue states too, if that is how you want to put it.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That mostly works when you're single and without any hard ties. Uprooting a well grown tree isn't easy.

There's also some double standards. If you walk from Ecuador to Texas, passing through the Darien Gap and one of your kids gets ripped into some river never to be seen again, finally showing up in El Paso to sleep under a bridge until the heat exhaustion goes away, then you are a glorious immigrant who put it all on the line to give your family a better life. If you hitch-hike from California to Vermont while feeding…

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That mostly works when you're single and without any hard ties. Uprooting a well grown tree isn't easy.

There's also some double standards. If you walk from Ecuador to Texas, passing through the Darien Gap and one of your kids gets ripped into some river never to be seen again, finally showing up in El Paso to sleep under a bridge until the heat exhaustion goes away, then you are a glorious immigrant who put it all on the line to give your family a better life. If you hitch-hike from California to Vermont while feeding…

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Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #9

IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

>relatively little friction

That word "relatively" is doing a lot of work in this phrase. 50 options sounds great until you think about the realities of it. As someone who's moved around a half dozen times, shared "values and beliefs" pales in comparison to the practical concerns of jobs, family, climate.

Re: It's official: Utah is the U.S. state closest to banning VPNs

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post #9

IMO, this is one of the main strengths of the US: you have 50 different options to live according to your values and beliefs, and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them.

> and relatively little friction if you decide to move to a state that better reflects them. True when compared to emigrating to another country, which is much harder than most assume. Moving is extremely disruptive if you have a lot of family and friends nearby, though. You go from having a huge community and social circle to almost nothing. Maybe some work friends to begin seeding a new social life, but everything…

Fair point, though I still think it's a pretty good backstop if the worst thing a tyrannical government can do to you is force you to move 100 miles.
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