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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by Pxtl »

Aurornis wrote: post #31
Pxtl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Timex has been making iron-man watches held together with Philips-head screws that can withstand 100 meters of water pressure since the mid-1980s. Waterproofing is no excuse for this nonsense.

Watch cases are relatively huge for what needs to be inside them. You can see the difference between an entire smartphone and a simple time keeping device, right? They also don’t have the long aspect ratio of phones (bending moment). This doesn’t compare to phones at all. It’s like trying to compare your TI-83 calculator to a MacBook Pro

Then use more screws. Stud them all the way down the perimeter of the back 1cm apart for all I care. Still better than heat-guns and prying.

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Post by xp84 »

spockz wrote: post #9

My initial reaction as an EU citizen is “oh hell no” because it gave me flashbacks to removable covers with clips that broke my nails. But after reading the article where it mentions that the battery is also considered removable if standard tools should be used, I’m quite okay with it. I welcome getting more rugged and durable devices.

Serious question: how are you worse off with a cover that breaks your nails vs. the status quo: a cover that’s glued on and a battery that’s glued in? If they did bring that back, couldn’t you just not open the cover and be just as happy?

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Post by Pxtl »

changoplatanero wrote: post #39
Aurornis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch cases are relatively huge for what needs to be inside them. You can see the difference between an entire smartphone and a simple time keeping device, right? They also don’t have the long aspect ratio of phones (bending moment). This doesn’t compare to phones at all. It’s like trying to compare your TI-83 calculator to a MacBook Pro

They also don't have speakers, microphones, and charging ports.

My Galaxy Watch disagrees.

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Post by ratiolat »

foolfoolz wrote: post #16
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

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Post by Semaphor »

sokoloff wrote: post #29
spockz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That had me thinking as well. What if the manufacturer says that to get to that number you are only allowed to charge it to 80% ever? My iPhone pro battery is at 92% at 417 cycles over 20 months.

Do what EVs do: make 100% on the display not 100.0% electro-chemically and 0% not be 0.0% chemically. This is a serious suggestion, as I think it’s actually net beneficial for the consumer.

This is already the case and has been so for a long time. But it's a trade off between longevity and capacity

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Post by kccqzy »

joe_mamba wrote: post #28
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

My low-cost plastic Casio watch based on a very old design is waterproof and battery can be swapped out by undoing 4 philips screws, no glue. Its buttons can also be operated under water while staying waterproof. What is this whicraft?

I normally much prefer screws over glue but Apple has at least been using repair-friendly glue like the electrically debonding adhesive in use for iPhone 16e/17e.

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Post by emsign »

spockz wrote: post #9

My initial reaction as an EU citizen is “oh hell no” because it gave me flashbacks to removable covers with clips that broke my nails. But after reading the article where it mentions that the battery is also considered removable if standard tools should be used, I’m quite okay with it. I welcome getting more rugged and durable devices.

So in order to save your nails you rather buy a new device? Makes total sense.

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Post by mrandish »

Aurornis wrote: post #24

As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…

This regulation isn't primarily for fans of replaceable batteries, it's driven by general concerns about e-waste. It's unclear how much it might actually reduce e-waste in practice but it will certainly increase compliance costs.
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