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Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dijit wrote: post #19
beardyw wrote: post #16

I understand and even agree with these sentiments, but in the back of my head is a voice which says "artists have been copying and even stealing from one another since there has been art - what is it that makes this different?"

Laziness and cost cutting, the generated logo doesn’t even look good . A logo is quite literally one of the first things you see, it informs your first impression of a company. If they really care so little about that: then it does follow that they also care little about food standards, quality ingredients and paying their chefs/waiters appropriately. All of this leading to a poor experience. A bit of artistic inspir…

I think this is the honest answer. We can wax lyrical about AI ethics. But using AI to make a crappy logo and then getting into a fight with locals over it doesn’t scream hospitality savvy.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

npinsker wrote: post #25
aezart wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems valid to me. I won't read articles with model-generated header images, because it's a good indicator the rest of the text will be slop as well. For a restaurant, a slop logo gives the impression that the owner doesn't care about the details and has no taste. Beyond that, the use of generative models is a big moral issue for a growing number of people.

Yes, this isn’t a logical error at all. If you don’t have taste in one area — actually, it’s even worse, you’re not even aware of your own lack of taste — why would I trust your taste in another area?

Why would lack of taste in graphic design be even remotely related to lack of taste in food preparation?

It's like arguing you wouldn't trust a lawyer with a medical negligence case if they can't suture a wound.

Or you wouldn't trust a graphic designer with a restaurant logo if they can't make good scrambled eggs.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by m00x »

nothinkjustai wrote: post #37
huhkerrf wrote: post #4

> One remaining one-star review on Google reads, “Their logo is AI generated, if they can’t make the effort to create a logo they definitely won’t make the effort to cook good food.” I'm not sure what it's called, but there has to be a name for this logical error.

It’s not a logical error, just common sense. Eg. how you do one thing is how you do everything.

> how you do one thing is how you do everything.

That simply isn't true though. It's not even possible to be true. Will a neurosurgeon put as much time in their cooking/cleaning/etc as they do their surgeries? There's not enough time/energy.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by dcrazy »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
joshribakoff wrote: post #22

This isn’t just a story about an AI logo, it’s a story about locals who feel the business they frequented was replaced by someone trying to make a quick buck. And an owner who believes that means the locals want to “destroy” her business. Im not choosing a side, but it doesn’t seem like they have a strong future with or without a logo. That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers. Many of the surrounding restau…

> That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers This sums it up well. If this were in New York, I’d be on the owner’s side (provided the food lives up). In Santa Cruz, it’s just tone deaf to (a) not involve the community in the design process, (b) not take the hint from the reviews and then (c) play the victim in the media.

Maybe Santa Cruz residents should grow up. Thankfully we seem to be making progress against this NIMBY micromanaging culture up here in SF.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by m00x »

spicyusername wrote: post #17
beardyw wrote: post #16

I understand and even agree with these sentiments, but in the back of my head is a voice which says "artists have been copying and even stealing from one another since there has been art - what is it that makes this different?"

What is it that makes this different? That the artists don't get paid anymore. Nobody likes picturing a world without art, and if nobody gets paid to make art... where does the art come from? Nobody likes thinking where this trend goes. If we automate all the jobs away... everyone will starve.

Good artists get paid plenty. The hard part of art was always about either representing emotion, or a story. AI can't do that as it has no emotion, nor story.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by nothinkjustai »

m00x wrote: post #43
nothinkjustai wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a logical error, just common sense. Eg. how you do one thing is how you do everything.

> how you do one thing is how you do everything. That simply isn't true though. It's not even possible to be true. Will a neurosurgeon put as much time in their cooking/cleaning/etc as they do their surgeries? There's not enough time/energy.

that’s a pretty big oversimplification. it means that the way you do one thing is indicative of the type of person you are. if someone cheats on their wife, don’t trust them as a business partner. if someone puts in a lot of effort into a group project, you can probably trust them to take on responsibility outside of school as well. if someone always cuts corners on the “small stuff” like not tucking in their bedsheets all the way, not vaccuming under furniture, etc, they’re probably going to take shortcuts on other things as well. and if someone takes lazy shortcuts by generating mediocre ai slop art, they probably have a similar mentality to the food they make as well.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by linksnapzz »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
joshribakoff wrote: post #22

This isn’t just a story about an AI logo, it’s a story about locals who feel the business they frequented was replaced by someone trying to make a quick buck. And an owner who believes that means the locals want to “destroy” her business. Im not choosing a side, but it doesn’t seem like they have a strong future with or without a logo. That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers. Many of the surrounding restau…

> That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers This sums it up well. If this were in New York, I’d be on the owner’s side (provided the food lives up). In Santa Cruz, it’s just tone deaf to (a) not involve the community in the design process, (b) not take the hint from the reviews and then (c) play the victim in the media.

"involve the community in the design process".

I'd create an ad campaign for all my competitors-flyers, doorhangers etc. with the same info their usual ads have, but with slop-AI art all over them.

There isn't anything wrong w/ Santa Cruz that couldn't be solved by motivated YIMBYs parking a city of 800,000 people on top of it.

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by H4lcyon »

sameers wrote: post #2

There are so many automated processes in a restaurant, starting from machine pressed building materials that took a livelihood away from honest human woodworkers and carpenters. Someone please help me understand why this reaction isn't just the latest form of Ludditism (Luddism?) that'll naturally fade away as time passes.

This is such a deep insight—you're really onto something here! This isn't just about a particular restaurant, it's a microcosm of a wider societal issue. It begs the question, why even have logos at all? Or names? For maximum efficiency and expediency for the owner the optimal restaurant of the future is a 3d printed, fully automated food cart with an LLM cashier that accepts any order and delivers it out of its nutrition depositor directly into your hands (no waste, eco-friendly!!! :D ).

Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art

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Post by toraway »

huhkerrf wrote: post #4

> One remaining one-star review on Google reads, “Their logo is AI generated, if they can’t make the effort to create a logo they definitely won’t make the effort to cook good food.” I'm not sure what it's called, but there has to be a name for this logical error.

On the other hand, the indignation over faulty logic I’ve seen in multiple comments already is somewhat ironic considering the hundreds of times I’ve seen the Van Halen brown M&M story invoked on HN as an example of a brilliantly simple heuristic for predicting quality.

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