Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#72Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
Why the heck are they using both O and 0 on their license plates? Seems like a recipe for this kind of failure.
The cameras that they have to read plates in a lot of different conditions and various states of cleanliness. Some states allow O and some states allow 0, and some states don't care. Combine the two issues and cops get lazy and want to check the plate with both the 0 and O just to "make sure".
The cameras also confuse D and Q with 0 and O. And 5 & S, and 2 & Z, and 6 & G, and 8 & B.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
The insane part is trying to solve the problems created by homoglyphs in post-assignment. What's the need to allow both `O` and `0` on a plate if it's supposed to be hard to tell apart anyway? Say there was some reason to want to both characters, why allow assigning a new plate which would match with an existing assignment? It's just a loss of time, resources, and safety for both law enforcement and everyone else to…
The funny thing is that disambiguation of glyphs in a font is a solved problem. Slash the zeroes, wide serifs on the capital i, etc. They just...don't do so in these states where it is still a problem.
It's also a a problem because not all states are the same, some don't allow O, some do. Some allow 0, some don't! The cameras need to be able to read both.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#74Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
https://xkcd.com/1105/
There truly is an xkcd for everything.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#75Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
https://xkcd.com/1105/
Unfortunately, there are a lot of squad cars and they don't have post-its, they have ALPRs that flag all possible combinations of 1 and I for arrest.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AI is making it way worse because they're continually flagging these individuals even after the police make contact. Police are starting to use AI as a shortcut to avoid doing actual policing, and that's the real problem. AI has no place in law enforcement. Its use should result in complete spoilage of the case, and complete exoneration of the accused, with prejudice.
No licensed engineer can say "Well Claude made this bridge for me, it's not my fault". If you're licensed by the state to carry a gun around, your standard should be higher than that, not lower. AI has nothing to do with this. Cops have been using facial recognition since the 2010's, computers and databases with glitchy connections even longer than that. AI is just the latest boogeyman hiding the actual issue.
I think both can be true. Ideally, we should do more to address the social issues that cause people to drink and drive, but revoking licenses is still a good short-term move. We could outlaw AI policing while we work on deeper issues with law enforcement.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why the heck are they using both O and 0 on their license plates? Seems like a recipe for this kind of failure.
Or at least, enforce a totally unambiguous font, like slashed zero!
Doesn't solve the issue until all 48/50 states have the same standard.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#78the number of flock apologists comments in this post are a aberration from normal, there must be an artificial factor at play
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. Agree. > As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore. Flock allows them to execute their intent at s…
The inability of governments to perfectly enforce laws and regulations shields us from their incompetence and corruption to some extent.
And they think AI will allow them to approach that perfection, when in reality it's worse than actual police investigation
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe there were two cases because I thought I remembered hearing about that (or was it Maryland?) but I also remember a similar situation of someone being taken to NC Edit: the one I was referencing was North Dakota, not NC. But there was a very similar case that I think involved Maryland. The fact that there are multiple cases to confuse in this scenario only emboldens my viewpoint that AI has no place being anywhe…
i confused michigan with north dakota, and it all makes sense now! sorry.
The Maryland case was actually a woman who lived in Oklahoma, not TN. https://statescoop.com/aclu-maryland-police-facial-recogniti...