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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.

maybe we could start small, just add the entire c-suite to the warrant list and shrug when they tell people to take them off.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Since I got downvoted, this isn't just this guy. https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk Turns out police are putting ambiguous plates in the system under all variants, and Flock is lapping it up. The cops who do so should also go to prison.

Cops have qualified immunity and unions with supreme power. No one will go to prison or even reprimanded for this.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.

Why punish the employees of a business when the root cause is corrupt government employees abusing their power? Edit to respond to smt88: IBM knowingly selling services to the Nazis specifically to violate human rights is not the same as Flock selling services to cops to aid in identification. In addition, going after 1 business is simply an inefficient use of resources, when the government employees can simply use a…

I didn't say the employees should be imprisoned. I said the c-suite, the ones actually in charge. They're enabling these cops to be lazy and not do their job properly, and have directly contributed to numerous human rights violations.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.

maybe we could start small, just add the entire c-suite to the warrant list and shrug when they tell people to take them off.

The cops won't do that because they'd rather be lazy and let Flock do their investigative work for them

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.

Flock is doing something I find unethical, even immoral, but maybe not illegal.

I want people who break the law to go to jail. I don’t care if they’re cops or c-suite execs.

But what I really want is laws (preferably federal) that make it illegal to build systems that can be used for mass surveillance, and I want law enforcement to HAVE to get a warrant to receive data from surveillance companies, even if they offer it without a warrant, because I want oversight.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.

The AI is making it way worse because they're continually flagging these individuals even after the police make contact. Police are starting to use AI as a shortcut to avoid doing actual policing, and that's the real problem. AI has no place in law enforcement. Its use should result in complete spoilage of the case, and complete exoneration of the accused, with prejudice.

No licensed engineer can say "Well Claude made this bridge for me, it's not my fault". If you're licensed by the state to carry a gun around, your standard should be higher than that, not lower.

AI has nothing to do with this. Cops have been using facial recognition since the 2010's, computers and databases with glitchy connections even longer than that. AI is just the latest boogeyman hiding the actual issue.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.

Why punish the employees of a business when the root cause is corrupt government employees abusing their power? Edit to respond to smt88: IBM knowingly selling services to the Nazis specifically to violate human rights is not the same as Flock selling services to cops to aid in identification. In addition, going after 1 business is simply an inefficient use of resources, when the government employees can simply use a…

Do you think IBM executives should've been punished for facilitating the Nazi war machine after WW2?

If you sell a tool and know that it'll be used for evil, are you innocent?

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why punish the employees of a business when the root cause is corrupt government employees abusing their power? Edit to respond to smt88: IBM knowingly selling services to the Nazis specifically to violate human rights is not the same as Flock selling services to cops to aid in identification. In addition, going after 1 business is simply an inefficient use of resources, when the government employees can simply use a…

I didn't say the employees should be imprisoned. I said the c-suite, the ones actually in charge. They're enabling these cops to be lazy and not do their job properly, and have directly contributed to numerous human rights violations.

C Suite are employees too. I do not see them breaking any laws, but I do see government employees abusing their power, if not breaking the law.

Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI is making it way worse because they're continually flagging these individuals even after the police make contact. Police are starting to use AI as a shortcut to avoid doing actual policing, and that's the real problem. AI has no place in law enforcement. Its use should result in complete spoilage of the case, and complete exoneration of the accused, with prejudice.

No licensed engineer can say "Well Claude made this bridge for me, it's not my fault". If you're licensed by the state to carry a gun around, your standard should be higher than that, not lower. AI has nothing to do with this. Cops have been using facial recognition since the 2010's, computers and databases with glitchy connections even longer than that. AI is just the latest boogeyman hiding the actual issue.

Still, AI has no place in law enforcement. It's the hammer that is being used to put screws in. It enables injustice at a far larger scale than ever before. See: the TN woman who was extradited to NC, having never been there, for a crime that the AI "face recognition" flagged as her, and the cops did zero actual investigation, they just took the AI at its word and put her in jail for six months. I also remember a man who was jailed for violating someone else's casino trespass under similar reasons. Bodycams in that case showed the cops says "the software is saying it's him 100%"

Edit: it was North Dakota, not North Carolina.

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