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How Mark Klein told the EFF about Room 641A [book excerpt]

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Post by fhub »

nraynaud wrote: post #191
TacticalCoder wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People need to know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction as well. The number of terrorists who have been caught because they were controlled by a police officer "because they ran a traffic light" (yeah, sure) is wild. In the EU at some point after every single terrorist attack the terrorists' names were known because they had left their passports in a car they left at the scene. (yeah, sure aga…

In France we had a case where the government tried to bring terrorist charges against someone, the problem is that the police couldn’t materially have seen what they wrote in their report, because their car was too far and the timing didn’t line up correctly. Eventually the policemen invoked confidentiality rules against their mobile phones so that no accurate probing could be made. The judge threw away the terrorist…

Parallel construction poorly executed.

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Post by red_admiral »

largbae wrote: post #179
UpsilonAlpha wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't sign NDAs with the government, you sign a lifetime obligation [1] where the penalty is treason. I doubt you did or saw any such things. 1. https://media.defense.gov/2021/Oct/18/2002875198/-1/-1/0/NSA...

Actually security clearances do include an NDA. When I signed mine it contained an amusing clause, something to the effect of you will not share classified information until 70 years have passed or you die, whichever is _later_.

So if you live past 70, you could write classified information into your will?

Re: How Mark Klein told the EFF about Room 641A [book excerpt]

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Post by stavros »

red_admiral wrote: post #202
largbae wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually security clearances do include an NDA. When I signed mine it contained an amusing clause, something to the effect of you will not share classified information until 70 years have passed or you die, whichever is _later_.

So if you live past 70, you could write classified information into your will?

Presumably yes (though not past 70, unless you signed at birth), or by using a dead man's switch.

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Post by opan »

deaux wrote: post #151
nightfly wrote: post #147

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Most people have no safety net and if the money stops rolling in their life is effectively ruined for several years

Most people in the world? Potentially, though I doubt the "life ruined for years" part holds for >50%. Most people on HN? Definite no. Most people on HN who work in roles where they're exposed to such mass surveillance or other evil at scale (like Meta)? Absolutely not.

I've seen [alleged] homeless people post on here before. Do you really need more than an interest in tech (and an internet connection) to read/post here?

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Post by crossroadsguy »

kstenerud wrote: post #192

"With all due respect, Cindy, you don’t know if they are classified since they don’t have to have markings and can still be classified. Only we can tell. And if they are classified, you are likely in trouble." That's awfully convenient. Impossible to check if something's classified, but you can still go to jail over it.

Was it enforceable, or was it more like those emails where it is mentioned something on the lines of:

> "if you were not the intended recipient and you received it anyway and read it but you were not meant to, you can be prosecuted"

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Post by maqp »

amelius wrote: post #196
kstenerud wrote: post #192

"With all due respect, Cindy, you don’t know if they are classified since they don’t have to have markings and can still be classified. Only we can tell. And if they are classified, you are likely in trouble." That's awfully convenient. Impossible to check if something's classified, but you can still go to jail over it.

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In 2006?

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anonymousiam wrote: post #167
UpsilonAlpha wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't sign NDAs with the government, you sign a lifetime obligation [1] where the penalty is treason. I doubt you did or saw any such things. 1. https://media.defense.gov/2021/Oct/18/2002875198/-1/-1/0/NSA...

I don't feel any compelling need to convince you. During my career I signed dozens of NDAs. They were all either umbrella or caveat specific. All of them cited Title 18 referencing punishments (including death) for violations of the NDA, and all of them were related to either Title 10 or Title 50 activities. Without being too specific, what I observed was the use of NSA assets to surveil grow operations within the US…

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