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Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by yk »

aes256 wrote: post #16
guelo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

Heavy bombing of densely populated areas? It's rather simple. As a general rule, civilians in the Gaza Strip know if they are near a target. You don't live next to a rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site without knowing about it. The IDF have gone to great pains to warn civilians not to go near these sites, or to mix with combatants. They send text messages, drop leaflets, even make phone calls with recorded m…

Civilians in the Gaza Strip do not really have a choice. The Gaza Strip is tiny by most geographical standards, roughly 9 km by 40 km[1]. And a very densely populated area. So even if the IDF tries to protect the civilian population ( and I think they do a comparatively good job), they will necessarily fail.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_strip

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by hkrr »

lhnn wrote: post #36
guelo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

If Toronto were launching rockets at Detroit, I think the US would strike a staging area, even if some civilians were in the way.

Funny comparison. Let me try mine :

If Canada was no country but a territory where people were denied the right to have a state to live in, and if they were launching rockets at the US, I think the US would colonize Toronto and declare the city part of the US. Wait no, I don't.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by darasen »

guelo wrote: post #7
jgrahamc wrote: post #5

This does nothing to help heal the open wound that is the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

Of course Hamas could always stop intentionally putting rocket launchers by playgrounds. But that wouldn't suit their agenda.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by guelo »

tptacek wrote: post #23
guelo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

What does this have to do with John's comment? Nothing. It has nothing to do with John's comment.

I guess my point was that Israel's actions are inflaming "the open wound" and Anonymous' reaction is part of that.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by aes256 »

guelo wrote: post #38
aes256 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are both dense and sparsely populated areas of the Strip. Israel are not carpet-bombing the area, they are performing pinpoint strikes on legitimate military targets. As a civilian, it is not difficult to avoid those targets.

If it's so easy how could this BBC reporter have avoided his house being hit and his baby killed? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/15...

It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are going to get caught in the crossfire.

Alas, it's a strange sort of conflict in which one side deliberately targets civilians, while the other does everything humanly possible to avoid them.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by eitland »

guelo wrote: post #20
aes256 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heavy bombing of densely populated areas? It's rather simple. As a general rule, civilians in the Gaza Strip know if they are near a target. You don't live next to a rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site without knowing about it. The IDF have gone to great pains to warn civilians not to go near these sites, or to mix with combatants. They send text messages, drop leaflets, even make phone calls with recorded m…

You are not disputing that they are bombing a densely populated area. You are saying that they have to take precautions because they are bombing a heavily populated area.

Still they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years.

What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm have to trust the translations but they seem to agree.)

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by gingerlime »

Interesting and encouraging to see that most of the discussion here on HN is about rockets and bombing, casualties and fear, and not so much about the action.

The anonymous statement however, seems primarily concerned with internet disconnection?! I don't try to underestimate the importance of freedom of speech, and the internet being an essential source of free information. But aren't other freedoms - or human rights (like the right to Life -- not living in terror or fear) even more important to defend?

> And today’s insane attack and threatened invasion of Gaza was more of the same.

> But when the government of Israel publicly threatened to sever all Internet and other telecommunications into and out of Gaza they crossed a line in the sand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights#Substantive_right...

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by jpxxx »

aes256 wrote: post #47
guelo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's so easy how could this BBC reporter have avoided his house being hit and his baby killed? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/15...

It's a large-scale armed conflict. Civilians are going to get caught in the crossfire. Alas, it's a strange sort of conflict in which one side deliberately targets civilians, while the other does everything humanly possible to avoid them.

No, this is pretty much the regular kind of conflict. Looks like apartheid, smells like ethnic cleansing, and ends up with plenty of bodies on both sides.
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