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Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by potatolicious »

magsafe wrote: post #14
bpatrianakos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't putting anyone's feet to the fire. You're giving way too much credit to Anonymous. And if they'd done it to a Palestinian company then someone would say the same thing you just said except we'd be switching out the word Israel with Palestine. And I'd still tell you that these people are fools and not doing anyone any good except themselves. Anonymous is now synonymous with being a joke. They come off as im…

Perhaps you should read Anonymous' press release before dismissing them. http://anonrelations.net/opisrael-95/

Anonymous has been known in the past to attack first and figure out who got hit and how to spin it later. I am unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt that this was a targeted attack from the get-go.

And why does every Anon press release read like a transcription of a scratchy VHS tape involving several heavy-set balaclava-wearing dudes?

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by bpatrianakos »

magsafe wrote: post #14
bpatrianakos wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't putting anyone's feet to the fire. You're giving way too much credit to Anonymous. And if they'd done it to a Palestinian company then someone would say the same thing you just said except we'd be switching out the word Israel with Palestine. And I'd still tell you that these people are fools and not doing anyone any good except themselves. Anonymous is now synonymous with being a joke. They come off as im…

Perhaps you should read Anonymous' press release before dismissing them. http://anonrelations.net/opisrael-95/

I just read it and I can't support them. I am opinionless on Israel/Palestine - there's just too much I don't understand to take a stand. The reason I can't support them is because they operate as if they are the the owners of the truth and the deciders of what is right. Its okay to have strong opinions, think you're right, and stand for what you believe it but the same mentality that allows Anonymous to do just about anything to anyone they deem "wrong" or "oppressors" is the same mentality that promotes people blowing themselves up on crowded subways. I can't support that.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by gadders »

aes256 wrote: post #16
guelo wrote: post #7

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Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

Heavy bombing of densely populated areas? It's rather simple. As a general rule, civilians in the Gaza Strip know if they are near a target. You don't live next to a rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site without knowing about it. The IDF have gone to great pains to warn civilians not to go near these sites, or to mix with combatants. They send text messages, drop leaflets, even make phone calls with recorded m…

I think you can also draw a distinction between deliberately targetting civilians and doing all you can to avoid hitting them.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by lhnn »

guelo wrote: post #7
jgrahamc wrote: post #5

This does nothing to help heal the open wound that is the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Well it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.

If Toronto were launching rockets at Detroit, I think the US would strike a staging area, even if some civilians were in the way.

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by mayneack »

gadders wrote: post #12
rhizome wrote: post #9

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Neither does killing an opposition leader during peace talks.

How is firing dozens of rockets "peace talks"?

I would assume that most negotiations of a cease fire are done when there is ongoing conflict (when a cease fire is needed).

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by guelo »

aes256 wrote: post #30
kaonashi wrote: post #22

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Gaza is among the most densely populated areas on Earth. It is simply not feasible for civilians to comply with such orders.

There are both dense and sparsely populated areas of the Strip. Israel are not carpet-bombing the area, they are performing pinpoint strikes on legitimate military targets. As a civilian, it is not difficult to avoid those targets.

If it's so easy how could this BBC reporter have avoided his house being hit and his baby killed? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/15...

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by chrisherring »

gummydude wrote: post #28
chrisherring wrote: post #17

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Kudos for what? Engaging in illegal activites? Painting a blatantly one sided view of the conflict. Hamas weren't siting by letting their rockets collect dust. You can't claim them as innocent either.

1 sided of what? attacking innocent civillians? When did ever Israel listen to the world?

1 sided view of the conflict. So are you claiming Hamas is innocent here? That they aren't attacking innoccent civilians?

Re: Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases

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Post by tzs »

aerodog wrote: post #6

Anonymous deserves our kudos on this one. It's true that these dbs may have backups, but as the world just watches, it's nice to see someone at least trying to put Israel's feet to the fire in the capacity they can.

How about putting Hamas' feet to the fire? They have been condemned by human rights groups for widespread arrests, torture, and killing of their political opponents in Gaza.

They have simply been terrible for the Palestinian people. Besides suppressing political opposition, they also purposefully try to launch attacks from heavily populated civilian areas hoping that the civilians will end up acting as human shields.

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