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Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by Argonaut998 »

renewiltord wrote: post #25

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Doing this ensures:

- No more soft power

- Massively reduced capability to strike the Middle East

- Europe dumping US bonds

- Europe reducing dependence on the USD

- No ability to restrain Europe from arming

- No one would trust the US again - remember, the USA has had security guarantees with Ukraine long before this mess.

There is a lot to be said about this attitude of "we are doing Europe a favour" idiocy, it's reminiscent of the Bush era jingoism that I have noticed a resurgence of since Trump's second term, especially since the war with Iran.

The USA would be doing the USA a favour if they keep doing what they have been doing in Europe since the end of WWII. It's NOT bad for the USA. Europe is under the USA's thumb as a result of NATO.

Europe is in for a lot of short term pain as a result of the Ukraine and blockade of the Strait.

I also firmly believe (controversial I am aware) a desperate Europe will 100% throw Ukraine to the wolves and make peace with Russia for their energy, and what then?

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by jahnu »

ragebol wrote: post #51
kakacik wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anybody who had the pleasure to go through relationship with mentally unstable person (for the lack of better words, if I had to guess some undiagnosed borderline disorder on a scale 1-2 out of 10 mixed with some childhood traumas) sees nothing out of ordinary - just daily chaos, tantrums, illogical destructive behavior and very little self-control on the other side. Narcissism adds a curious twist, but of course for…

The more shocking thing might even be that this whole mess is allowed to continue and that there is no way to stop an out of hand situation. The whole US system can't be trusted even when this administration is gone, it's just broken.

This is the truth. It would only take half a dozen Republicans to stop the madness now so the obvious question is why don't they?

The political system and elite institutions have failed their country. Does the US self correct with the next two election cycles? Hard to believe right now.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

Frieren wrote: post #54
ignoramous wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.

> just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries Are not European countries trying to reduce dependency on American tech giants? China was very successful in this regard. Russia is also independent but in the most incompetent way possible. The EU could do it quite well. The USA is not a reliable partner. To send data to the USA from the EU is a fatal mistake that needs to be corrected.…

I'm sure you've seen many empires come and go in your thousands of years as an immortal elf mage.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by vkou »

ignoramous wrote: post #40
pfdietz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. These are all just foreshocks.

> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.

The issue isn't the debt. Debt can be paid off.

The issue is that there's a complete collapse in it's ability to pick good leadership, or at least leadership that can meet the bar of 'doesn't piss on the floor', and no path for course-correction from it. It's in the 'everyone plunder as much as you can carry' stage, and nobody cares.

(Which also means that whatever that debt will be buying will more likely than not, be incredibly stupid, and likely self-destructive.)

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by aa-jv »

ragebol wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon

Short time?

No, the US has been losing its stance in the world since the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003, murdering a million people in cold blood on the basis of outright lies.

It has been downhill ever since then. The support for the Gaza genocide is just one in a long list of atrocities for which the American state is responsible, and for which the entire world is starting to hold America responsible.

The rest of the world has been watching, and knows this - even if Americans, in their bubble, do not.

Its the war crimes, crimes against humanity, and massive violations of human rights at scale which cause the world to lose face in the American system.

Plus, the way Americans treat their own people - nobody wants to live like an American, any more.

Until someone comes up with an antidote for the warrior narcissism which inflicts a huge portion of American society, the maw of the abyss remains wide open.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

ragebol wrote: post #2

It's still baffling to see the US lose so much face in so short a time. There is definitely truth that Europe has relied on US defense for too long, but what the US got in return is hard to put into words and economic terms. We bought your tech, culture, defense and so much other stuff. This rift won't close anytime soon

Minor nitpick: you meant "lose", not "loose". It's a common mistake that I see around, and I think it might be useful for you to know :)

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by s_dev »

ignoramous wrote: post #40
pfdietz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. These are all just foreshocks.

> The US is teetering on the edge of a financial abyss. Do you say this because of the outstanding debt? Otherwise, just their top 10 publicly traded companies earn more than all but 2 countries. Just the US defense budget ($1T and estimated $1.5T next year), which exports US foreign policy globally, absolutely dwarfs every other country's.

All of these financial 'privileges' are based on the US having the world reserve currency and petro dollar. The US in the unique position of being able to 1. Print Money. 2. Externalise inflation. 3. Ensure a base load demand for it's currency based off a worlds need of oil.

These privileges were supported wholeheartedly by all the worlds 'middle' powers e.g. Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, Spain, Sweden etc. Thus establishing a world order.

The US has seemingly turned on all these middle powers for no reason, decided the world order needed to change when it was already #1. The US will of course still be a superpower but it is going to lose it hegemony.

Re: Germany Overtakes US in Ammunition Production Capacity

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Post by SXX »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #23
SXX wrote: post #19

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And this is a good for EU. In past decades EU lost energy independence and good part of nuclear because croocked politicians that took dictatorships money while feeding same dictator with oil and gas money. At the same time EU had no proper army to defend itself because dependance on US or a way to supply said army.

Conflict with allies is not a good thing for anyone, apart from nationalism. The dictator now makes more money, so we just lost our cheap gas source, and we buy more expensive oil from others.

Conflict is not good, but wake up call that EU need means to defend itself will help long term. You cant outsource army to defend your borders.
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