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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Every 7 days, forever ? At some point you have the thing working to your satisfaction and just want to continue using it.

Heck, even "tinkerers" might want it to keep working during a long vacation.

Or maybe it's a normal day, and, oops, you forgot the last manual renewal, and now it's busted at exactly the moment you needed it most.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

Even after Google puts this crap in place, you can still uplodad your own apps to your own Android devices, using ADB. Doing the same for iOS, using Xcode, costs you USD 100 or more (depending on country) per year . I'm in no way defending Google here, just pointing out you're going from bad to worse and think it's a good thing.

Yeah but where you were losing a lot, you're now losing only a little bit.

And on the other side, the benefits of using iOS over Android spyware outweighs the cons now.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #372

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GrapheneOS is significantly more secure, more private, and more free. Not sure why you would use /e/.

Well, for one you can actually buy an /e/ device right now. Also, once you have it, it just works. Some people like that.

>Well, for one you can actually buy an /e/ device right now. Also, once you have it, it just works.

Does that not apply to GOS?

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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You mean buy a Google Pixel? How many people can afford one?

I bought an 8a new when it launched for the express purpose of installing GOS. It cost like $450, and will last me most of a decade. If you are using a phone that costs significantly less than that (and I am speaking from personal experience! I had an Obamaphone that I got at a foodbank for many years, as well as a number of crappy used Androids!) your phone storage is so limiting that you are struggling to install m…

> If you are using a phone that costs significantly less than that (and I am speaking from personal experience! I had an Obamaphone that I got at a foodbank for many years, as well as a number of crappy used Androids!) your phone storage is so limiting that you are struggling to install more than a few apps.

The only phone I've ever had trouble installing more than a few apps was one with 512MB of storage. If I go check the second result on amazon for android phone it's a solid motorola option, unlocked for $127 and with 128GB. That's more than enough; even some flagships have 128GB.

The "just over $100" range has multiple options with good storage. Below that is a sea of locked/refurbished phones that are also good options in many cases.

Digging deeper I eventually hit a "BLU" brand phone for $50 with only 16GB, and that leaves you with not very much after the OS takes its space. But then you can add $10 to get another 16GB and have more than enough room for apps.

So you have to go really low to have the problem you're describing.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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I don't care, I run Graphene, and my phone is definitely mine. Most Android apps just work, and the ones that don't are the kind of malware I am happy to do without.

You should care because the install base could reduce drastically. Reducing the amount of Devs and contributions to the FOSS scene. This will degrade your experience

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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For you, is the openness of Android appealing as a matter of principle or does it enable you to do things you couldn't otherwise do?

You can download torrents on an android and plug usb media devices into it. When I was bicycle touring Europe with my wife a couple years ago we constantly downloaded books for direct input into our kobos and shows and movies to fall asleep to at night you could play from random, often old and crappy, hotel and airbnb televisions. You can’t do any of that on an iPhone. That said; iPhone is my main phone, has been for…

Android to me is like a tool. I use it and then I want it as far away as I can when I don't need it.

Iphones makes my life easier but are too limited.

Best case scenario, carry both.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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I don't understand, there was all this regulation for force apple to allow alternative app stores, and now google are pulling this move? How is this not the same walled garden approach apple was forced to change?

Alternate app stores are still allowed. It's just that they are restricted to applications signed by developers who have paid a tithe to Google.

Google are obeying the letter of the law, while openly violating its spirit. Perhaps it'll be possible to attack them in court, but it will take years, and by that time they'll have found another trick.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #337

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This is correct. The people who will refuse to pay $25 and sign their stuff are people with a political objective, not businesses.

It's not about paying Google. People can buy gift cards with cash and do that; that's not the problem, especially not for commercial use. It's everything else that they're imposing or could impose on a whim and whose device it is they're putting restrictions on.

Google will not accept prepaid cards for verification.

Google's identity requirements serve basic security needs and are fine.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Scammers cannot talk people past a 24 hour wait. This attack is built upon pressure and operates at a scale that makes stealing many identies, building different-enough apps to avoid getting flagged by Google and signing them all non-viable.

>Scammers cannot talk people past a 24 hour wait. Oh yeah, I forgot they're bound to some code of rules they follow. Scammers, of all people.

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