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The State of Windows 8

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Re: The State of Windows 8

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There are hundreds of windows 7 & 8 users around me, including myself. Haven't seen a bluescreen for a long long time.

Hi, Roee from Soluto here. When you deal with big numbers you see lots of BSODs, both in W7 and W8. The people surrounding you may be taking better care of their machines then the average. I personally encountered one BSOD on my shiny W8 machine.

Re: The State of Windows 8

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My home PCs XP runs for years now. No crashes, no stuck "Apps", no demand for a change. My laptops 7 is a constant crash, constantly overloaded, reinstalled several times but I have to work on it. Did not even think about installing 8...

One computer is anecdotal. I've got a house and a company full of Windows 7 laptops and workstations. (Three of which are on my desk.) Almost all crash related issues with this larger sample population have been with hardware and the very rare malware.

Windows 8 in the working population isn't a solution for the majority of productive users outside of the vertical markets that have a need for a tablet.

Re: The State of Windows 8

#53
Hi all, Roee from Soluto here (providers of the W8 data). I'll try to respond to the questions and comments here.

But first, a bit of background to the size and quality of our userbase. I warn you this is going to sound defensive, but it's important to establish that we're not a bunch of kids who sampled 50 Win8 VMs. So - Soluto's agent has been downloaded on over 3M machines in over 150 countries. We had one of the first applications running on the developer preview of Windows 8 over a year ago, and our first metro app was in the first batch released to the public in February together with the launch of the first consumer preview. We are a 2012 Microsoft Partners of the Year (in the startups category), we share investors with the likes of Skype, Dropbox & LinkedIn and most importantly - we're building a service that helps techie folks to provide tech support for their friends and family remotely without the need for remote desktop (free for supporting up to 5 PCs). Our hundreds of servers now deal with over 50 million data points every day, and we're big data junkies. Use Google to verify all that :)

And now a couple of points I hope will answer some of the questions-

1. The data used for the Windows 8 part is only based on RTM versions and later, i.e. it does not include developer preview or consumer preview.

2. Our users are outright techies, but on the other hand the machines we manage are a mix, since our users support their friends, parents and grandmas, leading to some really non-techie level usage types (IE6, 5 toolbars, etc). That being said, Windows 8 is more prominent on the supporter side in our userbase (i.e. we see more techies using it then non-techies).

3. The sample size for Windows 8 is still way smaller than that of Windows 7, naturally. But that page is automatically updating, so check it out once in a while, and with time the data will become more accurate, as big numbers tend to become. We still think it's valuable that way, even if not everything is perfectly significant. iTunes crashes more and Google Drive crashes less, that probably won't change without an update from these vendors.

4. To those who say there are no BSODs in the world since Win7 - I'm sorry but you are just plain wrong. I see the data on a daily basis. The situation is much better then XP and Vista, but part of the population still suffers from BSODs, mostly because of 3rd party drivers. I personally had a BSOD on W8 (the sad smiley modern BSOD, but still a BSOD).

5. I'm not the OP of this post and I don't know vinothshankaran.

6. As our page gets refreshed with data, we'll also be adding more components and clarifications.

If there's anything specific you'd like to see added to the page, by all means please share it here. As the lead product manager at Soluto and a long time HN enthusiast, crowdsourcing our requirements to this community sounds like a dream :)

And if you have specific questions or comments do feel free to contact me at roee@soluto.com

One last point- if you're the kind of person who receives phone calls for PC tech support from your friends and family members - give Soluto a try :)

Roee

Re: The State of Windows 8

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I am not sure how good this data might be, being that it originates from software that might not be widely deployed. That said, it is always prudent to look for other sources and compare: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.... http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php The most surp…

What are those packages that will cost a lot to move to Windows 7? I am curious because I work on legacy application integration.

I'd have to go back a couple of years and review which ones have upgrade issues. I remember that Solidworks is one of them. We are under maintenance contract on SW itself (~$1,500 year per seat), so that's not a problem. The FEA tool, which cost ~$12K as well as our integrated CAM sofware (I think it was around ~$8K) I believe are the issues. Since the incremental improvement wouldn't really buy us much of anything measurable it makes no sense to spend thousands per workstation just because you upgraded the OS.

Re: The State of Windows 8

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I am not sure how good this data might be, being that it originates from software that might not be widely deployed. That said, it is always prudent to look for other sources and compare: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.... http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php The most surp…

>Some of these workstations see heavy FEA work 18 hours a day, 5 to 7 days a week. I don't really see how constant high CPU usage is a good measure of the stability of an operating system.

Think really hard about what you said. Does a networked multi-core FEA tool running under Solidworks and solving non-trivial problems JUST run the CPU like hell for hours?

Does the operating system do nothing else while this is happening? Does the person using the workstation just sit there and watch it run or is he/she, perhaps, doing other work and running other applications?

While running an FEA tool is not THE test, it is one data point, good or bad. I can't remember the last time on of the Vista 64 machines crashed in the last, I don't know, four years or so.

Re: The State of Windows 8

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No offence, but understanding the effect of Windows 8 based on a tool that speeds up boot times...is moronic considering Win8 has some of the fastest PC boot times I've ever seen on the PC market.

Edit: I know, it does more than that, but I've always known Soluto from when it was a startup analyzer.

Re: The State of Windows 8

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No offence, but understanding the effect of Windows 8 based on a tool that speeds up boot times...is moronic considering Win8 has some of the fastest PC boot times I've ever seen on the PC market. Edit: I know, it does more than that, but I've always known Soluto from when it was a startup analyzer.

Since you do know it does more than that (including monitoring system health and crashing applications – which it did for a long time, too) why do you still consider it moronic?

Re: The State of Windows 8

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think that these are kernel-level crashes - just plain old user-mode application crashes (ie not something that crashes the whole computer). It's interesting that windows explorer under windows 8 is crashing that much. I guess there's a lot of new code in it.

It could also just be it being unresponsive and people click “close this application” instead of “wait until it responds again”, which I believe gets classified as an application crash by the system as well (but I'm not sure). In any case, such unresponsiveness can be caused by a non-available network connection already.

And that makes the crash ok? Applications shouldn't be non-responsive period, even if the network becomes unavailable they should at least fail gracefully.

Whenever I shutdown/restart Windows 8 for my monthly update (or whenever my machine gets too slow), most of my applications crash out (meaning, they can't shutdown in time for Windows to complain about it and ask you to crash the apps explicitly). This is with decent network.

Re: The State of Windows 8

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I am not sure how good this data might be, being that it originates from software that might not be widely deployed. That said, it is always prudent to look for other sources and compare: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.... http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php The most surp…

Vista got better right around the time W7 was released anyway, right? Both in terms of the OS itself as well as better support from third parties. I've always thought that W7, while a great operating system in its own right, also benefited from Vista acting as a sort of beta test for all the new shit they added like UAC and better separation of concerns. FWIW I had a Vista machine from a few months after release unti…

XP got good with SP2. W7 ist SP2 of Vista ;)

Re: The State of Windows 8

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I'm confused, why is this relevant? Where did they get this data? How do they get this data? How many people are they tracking? Who is Soluto? Their site doesn't make it clear at all. And I'm not going to watch a video to figure it out. And clearly the only people using Soluto would be more tech-savvy users? Prove to me that this sample is representative of the entire population?

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