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Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally wrong for a US citizen to work with their government?

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Correct. It depends. For example, it might depend on what the collaboration is likely to result in. Perhaps it would be more likely to be moral there were some boundaries in place, like "no mass domestic surveillance" or "no fully autonomous weapons". Because the US government currently believes it is legal to blow up civilian drug traffickers and wage war without congressional approval. So at some point, yes, collab…

The US military has deployed fully autonomous weapons since at least 1979, and potential adversaries are now doing the same. For better or worse that ship has sailed.

Look, a dumb bomb is a fully autonomous weapon once it's launched. Let's be real: an LLM making decisions on who to target and when and where to launch munitions represents a meaningful change in our concept of autonomous weapons.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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I don't know if you're being sarcastic(sounds like you are!) but indeed a lot of engineers left Russia after the war in Ukraine started as they didn't want to be drafted and didn't want to contribute to the war effort in some way, even if indirectly. Of course, many stayed or even willingly help. See how many engineers from Iran work abroad too, for moral and other reasons. The point is - this happens everywhere, it'…

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I did and helped d33ps33k. You are welcome!

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Just curious, did the move on Greenland and Iran have national security interest? And is it economical or life threatening?

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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No it doesn't at all. Private corporations shouldn't be telling the government what it can and can't do. That's the job of the people. You want private corporation overriding your vote?

> Private corporations shouldn't be telling the government what it can and can't do. So Google can't tell the government it needs a warrant to perform a search? Google can't sue over something the government did? It's Google's product they want to buy.

Just follow the orders, man!

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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We can all agree that working for the Nazi government’s military would be morally compromising, right? You propose that other governments militaries would not be so compromising. Seems reasonable. But the question then becomes, what is the operative distinction between the two?

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"Lawful" as determined by the party executing the action is very different from actually lawful.

The courts can intervene later, but they can't un-bomb a hospital.

This is setting aside the obvious problem where governments will often set laws based on self-interest rather than morality, particularly when it comes to military conflict.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily immoral, either.

Hegseth bombed a girls school in Iran last month. I think it's fair to doubt the moral worth of anyone assisting this admin.

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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I don't know if you're being sarcastic(sounds like you are!) but indeed a lot of engineers left Russia after the war in Ukraine started as they didn't want to be drafted and didn't want to contribute to the war effort in some way, even if indirectly. Of course, many stayed or even willingly help. See how many engineers from Iran work abroad too, for moral and other reasons. The point is - this happens everywhere, it'…

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We, the people, ostensibly get to say what these security interests are. Also, the security policy executed on by the state is not some immutable monolith. One can agree or disagree with it as it changes over time, and hopefully, influence its direction to arc towards goodness.
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