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Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

ethagnawl wrote: post #38
ceejayoz wrote: post #3

Who defines "lawful" if Google and the Pentagon disagree? > The classified deal apparently doesn’t allow Google to veto how the government will use its AI models. Seems concerning?

The classified aspect is probably the most concerning. How can I write my representative (and expect a form letter response six weeks later) if I don't know what I'm objecting to or even if I should be objecting?

Why would you write a letter if you don't know what you're objecting to or even if you should be objecting?

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by site-packages1 »

testfrequency wrote: post #56
site-packages1 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest looking inwards if this is how you really feel.

I mean no harm in saying what I said, I love my friends. I just can’t stomach the hypocrisy, it’s what the companies are preying and feeding off of. My friends are incredibly bright and good at what they do, it’s why they all have the roles they have. It makes me sad (and frustrated) knowing they are lured in by enough money dangling in front of them that makes them swallow their souls and identity, while fuelling th…

Do you suspect there is any chance they are fully independent adult human beings with full agency, who have looked at the pros and cons, and chosen to make the choices they did with clear eyes? Do you think there's any context that might square their choices with their own internal principles that don't make them hypocrites? I mean these as real questions. For "friends you love" you really seem to take a dim view of their intelligence.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by SecretDreams »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #12
tombert wrote: post #5

When my sister and I would play monopoly as kids, we had lost the manual so whenever we didn’t like the outcome of whatever happened, we would make up rules about what was right. Technically then, it was very easy stay compliant while still being able to do well because we could rewrite the rules. Also, since I was older I feel like I was able to get away with those redefinitions a lot more often…

The big reason it's "obvious" when tech megacorps do it is because big tech is new to the game and doesn't have an existing regulatory capture system already up and running and legitimized like medical, civil engineering, energy, agriculture, chemical, etc, do. If this were 3M making nasty stuff for Northrop to put in bombs and drop on brown people or Exxon scheming up something bad in Alaska or bulldozing a national…

> If this were 3M making nasty stuff for Northrop to put in bombs and drop on brown people or Exxon scheming up something bad in Alaska or bulldozing a national park for solar panels or some other legacy BigCo doing slimy things that are in the interests of them and the government but against the interest of the public they'd have 40yr of preexisting trade group publications, bought and paid for academic and media chatter, etc, etc, they could point to and say "look, this is fine because the stuff we paid into in advance to legitimize these sorts of things as they come up says it is" though obviously they'd use very different words.

My friend, this paragraph needed some periods. I could not follow what you were trying to say - but it seemed interesting enough to consider retyping.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by f33d5173 »

Ritewut wrote: post #68
cdrnsf wrote: post #29

Lawful is meaningless in the context of the Trump administration. Should Google waver (which they won't), they'll be declared a supply chain risk or otherwise bullied into submission.

Google holds immense power in their position. Trump can make their life very difficult but Google can make life for Trump very difficult as well. They have no need to kneel, they are choosing to.

what immense power?

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by conartist6 »

Jtarii wrote: post #63
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily immoral, either.

Hegseth bombed a girls school in Iran last month. I think it's fair to doubt the moral worth of anyone assisting this admin.

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by site-packages1 »

gambiting wrote: post #55
site-packages1 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest looking inwards if this is how you really feel.

I'm curious what is that you're suggesting, exactly.

I made another comment above. People contain multitudes. Different contexts, different choices, not everyone is in a box defined by the viewer's world view. You can't really know what's going on with someone else, in their heads, in their context, so give them some grace. Instead, this person's "friends" are "hypocrites" who were "lured" into their choices. It's very condescending. I am suggesting the poster re-examine their own views on other people in light of this.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by finghin »

orochimaaru wrote: post #39
anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally wrong for a US citizen to work with their government?

The acts of the government being wrong in an upsetting amount of cases would be a big reason.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by thisisauserid »

anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

I agree that it is immoral to obey some laws. Which ones are you saying are immoral here?

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by ceejayoz »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #71
ethagnawl wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The classified aspect is probably the most concerning. How can I write my representative (and expect a form letter response six weeks later) if I don't know what I'm objecting to or even if I should be objecting?

Why would you write a letter if you don't know what you're objecting to or even if you should be objecting?

Can't I object to not knowing?
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