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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by beernet »

testfrequency wrote: post #40
devin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what the 7 figure salaries are for.

It’s funny to me how many progressive people I know and am friends with who work at these AI companies which are marginalized demographics (Trans, Gay, Latino, Black). Still have faded Bernie stickers on their cars, No Kings organizers, “fuck SF I’m in the east bay for life fuck tech” - and you all make 7 figures Monday - Friday by supporting the death of society and democracy. I don’t dare say anything though becaus…

Agreed. Just shows that big money doesn't dilude small character.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by plaidthunder »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #36
anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally compromising to work with the military of the country you live in?

I'm not anti-military as a rule but... c'mon. Opinions on the US military vary.

In extremis, were the people working for Pol Pot just good patriots with no moral culpability?

We could surely at least agree that there are cases where working for the military of your home country doesn't fully excuse you from your actions.

In fact, I think international tribunals have existed which operated on just those principles.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by mrexcess »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #36
anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally compromising to work with the military of the country you live in?

We can all agree that working for the Nazi government’s military would be morally compromising, right?

You propose that other governments militaries would not be so compromising. Seems reasonable.

But the question then becomes, what is the operative distinction between the two?

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by gambiting »

declan_roberts wrote: post #43
anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Thankfully Russia, China, etc have the same qualms as we do in the United States and will refused to send their brightest engineers to work on weapons so they don't become "morally compromised"!!!

I don't know if you're being sarcastic(sounds like you are!) but indeed a lot of engineers left Russia after the war in Ukraine started as they didn't want to be drafted and didn't want to contribute to the war effort in some way, even if indirectly. Of course, many stayed or even willingly help. See how many engineers from Iran work abroad too, for moral and other reasons.

The point is - this happens everywhere, it's not just some weird western thing.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by gambiting »

site-packages1 wrote: post #50
testfrequency wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny to me how many progressive people I know and am friends with who work at these AI companies which are marginalized demographics (Trans, Gay, Latino, Black). Still have faded Bernie stickers on their cars, No Kings organizers, “fuck SF I’m in the east bay for life fuck tech” - and you all make 7 figures Monday - Friday by supporting the death of society and democracy. I don’t dare say anything though becaus…

I would suggest looking inwards if this is how you really feel.

I'm curious what is that you're suggesting, exactly.

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Post by testfrequency »

site-packages1 wrote: post #50
testfrequency wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny to me how many progressive people I know and am friends with who work at these AI companies which are marginalized demographics (Trans, Gay, Latino, Black). Still have faded Bernie stickers on their cars, No Kings organizers, “fuck SF I’m in the east bay for life fuck tech” - and you all make 7 figures Monday - Friday by supporting the death of society and democracy. I don’t dare say anything though becaus…

I would suggest looking inwards if this is how you really feel.

I mean no harm in saying what I said, I love my friends. I just can’t stomach the hypocrisy, it’s what the companies are preying and feeding off of.

My friends are incredibly bright and good at what they do, it’s why they all have the roles they have. It makes me sad (and frustrated) knowing they are lured in by enough money dangling in front of them that makes them swallow their souls and identity, while fuelling the fire in the same breath.

I have a deep amount of respect and gratitude for my friends (and anyone else) who chooses to work at non-profits, and more ethical - mission based companies for less. I hate how much these AI companies and roles are offering people, it’s completely forced lots of gifted people into a war machine.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by _alternator_ »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #44
_vertigo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not morally wrong per-se but just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily moral

Just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily immoral, either.

Correct. It depends. For example, it might depend on what the collaboration is likely to result in. Perhaps it would be more likely to be moral there were some boundaries in place, like "no mass domestic surveillance" or "no fully autonomous weapons".

Because the US government currently believes it is legal to blow up civilian drug traffickers and wage war without congressional approval. So at some point, yes, collaboration is immoral.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by Forgeties79 »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #44
_vertigo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not morally wrong per-se but just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily moral

Just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily immoral, either.

Who said otherwise? Clearly it’s about facilitating specific acts by the government. Why are y’all acting like it was so wildly broad? No one said “working with the government is inherently immoral.”
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