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Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by SoftTalker »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #46
jhardcastle wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That comparison is fallacious too, I think. Something burning down is a tragedy, beyond anyone's control. It's also possible to love something for its beauty, and be sad that a globally historic monument suffered such an act of god that the irreplaceable art and craftsmanship is gone forever. Something closing down, perhaps because there was not enough money to sustain its continued operation, when tens of thousands…

Alright, take a park closing then. Can you be sad about that if you haven't personally raised money to finance the park?

I pay taxes. I pay for every park in my city. I pay for state and national parks too. I rarely/never use them. I have no choice. That makes me sad. I wish I could direct where my personal tax dollars were spent, but that kind of defeats the point of taxes, which are to fund the things that nobody wants to pay for (or are impractical to pay for, individually).

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by pasc1878 »

spockz wrote: post #107
j1elo wrote: post #44

Open Source has worked fine here. The author doesn't find financial support for the work, so they just want to change winds and that's a perfectly fine path forward. If this is really much more than a personal project "for fun, on my leisure time", and it became an actually serious product -level project that provides good value in commercial environments for people, there's clearly an opportunity for a for-profit co…

I wonder whether the author has considered taking the product to a paid level and what would be necessary for it. Obviously, all contributors have some form of copyright, which may or may not have been waived depending on whether there was an ACL in place and jurisdiction. So he would need to get permission from the copyright holders, maybe in exchange for a percentage of the profit.

ANd that gets rather looked on here as the authors being deceitful and not really Open Source doing a bait and switch.

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by arend321 »

hauxir wrote: post #21

been using databasus( https://github.com/databasus/databasus ) works pretty well so far.

I'm also using this project. Easy to configure and operate.

I am feeling a slight unease using such a recent project for things as important as the database. But the polished interface combined with the easy docker deployment made me use it anyway. Restores need some permission tuning on PostgreSQL but otherwise happy.

They are very proud of their github star acquisition curve [0], the "blessing" by Anthropic [1]

But I have yet to verify the Anthropic claim.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1q94uu9/selfhos... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1rklvr7/anthropic...

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by hoistbypetard »

spockz wrote: post #104
topham wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sigh. Bane of my existence is any service which does this. My org theoretically makes hundreds of millions, unfortunately none of that money is ours. So I get forced into a procurement process for anything that costs more than (ridiculously small limit), and get stuck using the worst in class because it's cheaper.

If none of the money is yours it means it is not your profit. A license expressed in terms of profit instead of revenue would be suitable for you. I thought a while back there were some products that had dual licenses, a fairly open license for private use, use in small companies, but requiring purchase and/or contribution back when used in something like a cloud providers SaaS. I like open source, but I also can und…

> If none of the money is yours it means it is not your profit. A license expressed in terms of profit instead of revenue would be suitable for you.

I like this idea, but the devil is in the details. "profit" is less defined than revenue. You have to specify your accounting principles. What counts as an expense that deducts from revenue to help define profit?

It's not impossible, but there's a lot more variance depending on locality, business structure, etc. than there is with just "revenue".

Of course, I suspect it all comes down to whether the entity offering the license is large enough and well-enough legally armed to force an audit of the organization taking the license. If they're not able to do that, it's all self-reporting anyway.

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Post by pdimitar »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #89
tclancy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I tend to agree with the line of thinking in this thread that the ethos of open source (and the web writ large) have been taken advantage of by capitalism, I can't quite see this: things belong to a time and place in one's life. The creator feels like his time with this project is at an end, but why would that be an impediment to someone who needs a package like this stepping up and maintaining it? Better to do…

> have been taken advantage of by capitalism “And many programmers, they say to me, “The people who hire programmers demand this, this and this. If I don't do those things, I'll starve.” It's literally the word they use. Well, you know, as a waiter, you're not going to starve. So, really, they're in no danger.” - Richard Stallman in 2001 admitting his ideology can’t explain how a programmer can eat In my opinion, tho…

What is RMS quote supposed to prove here? We can always find new work? Is that it? If so -- not so fast. When you have a family, your freedom is severely hampered. Most companies understand this and abuse it.

And yes the free software ideology is as naive as a puppy. Every serious individual understands this. Most HN-ers are in a fairly specific bubble (income brackets, geo-location, political leanings, upbringing, the whole package); of course to them this is "heresy". This is well-understood. Happily for me and many others around here, karma farming is not the goal so we don't mind getting some gray arrow treatment every now and then.

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by jmull »

LetMeLogin wrote: post #35
pjmlp wrote: post #31

Plenty of comments of "So sad I have been using this". How many actually contributed back to keep it going?

I am not sure why are you gatekeeping this? People can't comment now that they are sad because of what happened?

I’d think the lesson here is obvious, but maybe not.

If you thought this project had value, you could’ve contributed to it. You probably still could.

Or, if you think its value is worth $0 (to you), maybe it’s not really that sad (to you).

People are expressing sadness as if there was nothing to be done about it, but, of course, there’s a really straight-forward thing that could’ve been done about it (possibly still could).

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by fsckboy »

drcongo wrote: post #92
radimm wrote: post #76

This is the message the author posted on LinkedIn: After a lot of thought, I have decided to stop working on pgBackRest. I did not come to this decision lightly. pgBackRest has been my passion project for the last thirteen years, and I was fortunate to have corporate sponsorship for much of this time, but there were also many late nights and weekends as I worked to make pgBackRest the project it is today, aided by nu…

That text is right there in the link, we don't need to read it twice.

>"we don't need to read it" [here]

many people here don't read the articles, and that's not going to change. (on today's internet, jumping from the site you want to be on to a site with unknown UX patterns is fraught)

but people here do read the comments, so having important details from the articles in comments here improves the quality of comments here, at least if you value staying on topic.

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by aaaronic »

freedomben wrote: post #55

> TL;DR: pgBackRest is no longer being maintained. If you fork pgBackRest, please select a new name for your project. > I imagine at some point pgBackRest will be forked, but that will be a new project with new maintainers, and they will need to build trust the same way we did. I completely understand having to back out of maintenance on an OSS project, but why also slam the door closed on someone taking over? There…

See: "It's OK to abandon your side-project (2024)": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47918961 (also on today's frontpage)

Re: Pgbackrest is no longer being maintained

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Post by dotBen »

It's funny how developer time is considered free, but tokens are not.

In other words when it comes to FOSS contribution, developer time can be donated but tokens can't - so as we move into agentic code era all FOSS development carries a cost unless it is purely done by hand (which more often it isn't).

Not saying this is what is going on here but it's presumably a factor if the author was looking for an employer to sponsor development with his labor (and tokens).

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