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Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by 999900000999 »

tredre3 wrote: post #35
999900000999 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything I've read about Frameworks quality control makes the above very doubtful. If you watch the sales on other laptops you can easily get similar specs for half of what framework is charging. I have a 5070TI laptop I purchased for around 1200$ after a rebate. Not only does the Framework 16 only offer the significantly weaker 5070 addon, it ends up totalling to about 2500$. Maybe in 5 or 6 years Framework will s…

> If you watch the sales on other laptops you can easily get similar specs for half of what framework is charging. I have a 5070TI laptop I purchased for around 1200$ after a rebate. Just to be clear: You are comparing today's Framework regular prices to a laptop you bought months or years ago, on sale?

I'm comparing the Framework 16's price with its addon to what was competing in the market around December 2025.

Almost every Windows laptop is perpetually on sale after the first few months.

If we want to crank it up a notch,

MSI Raider 16 Max HX (2026): 16" QHD+ 240Hz OLED, Intel Ultra 9 290HX Plus, RTX 5080, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD $2299.99 https://slickdeals.net/f/19458276-msi-raider-16-max-hx-2026-...

A 5080 laptop with 16 GB of VRAM Vs about 3000$ for the Framework with a 5070 and 8 GB of VRAM.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by frantathefranta »

aaomidi wrote: post #26
biddit wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing Apples to Oranges. Apple only makes disposable devices now. They're a megacorp can negotiate massive discounts at every stage of the supply chain. I've helped several people in the last few years set up new Macs, replacing ones that were only 1-2 years old, because they ran out of storage. Additionally, the comparison doesn't even hold true when you need more than the base configs from Apple, given their ri…

> Apple only makes disposable devices now. This is genuinely hilarious to say this with a straight face

They are disposable, they just last way longer than any of their competitors. They are not on the level of upgradability as the Framework (anymore).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by lpcvoid »

dijit wrote: post #52
cassianoleal wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the Intel and AMD offerings compare? I take it battery life is better on Intel. What about performance for different tasks, such as coding, compiling, etc. What about local LLMs? Do both platforms have "unified memory" à la Apple Silicon? Neither?

if I understood right, the AMD chip is more power hungry due to not having the ultra-low-energy cores, and doesn’t support the new USB-4 standard. Benchmarks have to wait until the actual Intel chip is out.

My 7840u can do USB4 with PCIe lanes, and that's from 2023. Of course AMD can do USB4.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by haunter »

kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

This kind of mediocrity what holds the Linux world back by a big extent. Arguably Apple makes the best hardware currently, spec wise and build quality wise too. You can ignore them and turn to mediocrity or you can strive to be like them and even better than them! Framework says that we can be better in some departments (modularity) while also trying to match their (Apple’s) design and build quality.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by kristopolous »

mynameismon wrote: post #41
kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

I suspect a large number of computers would be thinkpad, primarily due to its repairability, which is the biggest selling point of framework by far. So, together, you cover a pretty significant chunk of the market

People are very specific about their keyboards and trackpads. There's people that still use x220s from like 14 years ago and refuse to give them up. Debian developers, JPL'ers, I've seen a bunch.

It's just a different chassis folks. I've thought seriously about just making that as a business, going all in

Supposedly framework is ok with it

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by maxloh »

ranger_danger wrote: post #42
maxloh wrote: post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

> the whole thing is overpriced Economy of scale... they cannot make (or sell) anywhere near as many as Apple does, so of course it's going to be more expensive. Just like that "Made in USA" grill brush that costs 75 dollars (but guess where the machines that make it come from).

IMO, Apple is already the standard of overpriced compared to other laptop vendors, and Framework is even more overpriced than the overpricer!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by Forgeties79 »

999900000999 wrote: post #23
eikenberry wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apples to oranges. NO other OEM makes a modular laptop yet.

You can swap the screen on some ThinkPads. I hope framework lives up to its promise, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

What promise are they not living up to?

You can absolutely take newer parts and put them in older models currently. You can find people in comment threads about framework on HN about doing it already. A day or two ago I saw a guy talking about swapping out his touchpad

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by craftkiller »

dijit wrote: post #52
cassianoleal wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the Intel and AMD offerings compare? I take it battery life is better on Intel. What about performance for different tasks, such as coding, compiling, etc. What about local LLMs? Do both platforms have "unified memory" à la Apple Silicon? Neither?

if I understood right, the AMD chip is more power hungry due to not having the ultra-low-energy cores, and doesn’t support the new USB-4 standard. Benchmarks have to wait until the actual Intel chip is out.

The AMD board support USB4 40gbps in 2 of the 4 expansion slots.

7040: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/expansion-card-functionalit...

AI 300: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/expansion-card-functionalit...

Pro with AI 300: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/expansion-card-functionalit...

The nice part about the Intel board is all 4 ports support usb4/thunderbolt 4 so all 4 ports are completely interchangeable whereas on the AMD board I need to remember to plug my dock into the back ports closer to the hinge.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by kristopolous »

haunter wrote: post #64
kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

This kind of mediocrity what holds the Linux world back by a big extent. Arguably Apple makes the best hardware currently, spec wise and build quality wise too. You can ignore them and turn to mediocrity or you can strive to be like them and even better than them! Framework says that we can be better in some departments (modularity) while also trying to match their (Apple’s) design and build quality.

So as a consumer one could easily purchase a MacBook. The money works the same as everyone else's.

When shopping for laptop from an alternative why would they be wanting a clone of the thing they've already affirmed they're not interested it by the nature of their shopping for alternatives?

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