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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by craftkiller »

pyreko wrote: post #40
craftkiller wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had the framework 13 since batch 5 of their original first model and that has never happened to me once. Are you sure you're pushing the expansion cards _all the way_ in? They should click and the little button between the cards should pop up slightly more when the cards are fully inserted. It is certainly possible to have the cards visually look inserted and work normally but haven't actually been pushed in far…

Yeah if anything I've always had the opposite problem with my FW13 (12th gen Intel era) - removing the expansion cards is a pain in the ass with how tight it is. Curious if it got looser over time. Regardless, glad to see they're just outright redesigned the expansion card mechanism, hopefully this stops issues on both ends of the spectrum.

Indeed, me too! I try to show my coworkers the cool expansion card system and end up embarrassing myself, struggling to remove the card for like 10 seconds.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by dijit »

cassianoleal wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the Intel and AMD offerings compare? I take it battery life is better on Intel. What about performance for different tasks, such as coding, compiling, etc. What about local LLMs? Do both platforms have "unified memory" à la Apple Silicon? Neither?

if I understood right, the AMD chip is more power hungry due to not having the ultra-low-energy cores, and doesn’t support the new USB-4 standard.

Benchmarks have to wait until the actual Intel chip is out.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by helterskelter »

kelnos wrote: post #45
helterskelter wrote: post #16

I love my Framework laptop. The only thing I haven't seen mentioned in detail is the expansion card bay redesign. Current F13 expansion cards will pull out sometimes when you remove a USB cable, which is a real annoyance. F11 fixed this by creating optional set screws you can install on the inside of the machine that forces the expansion cards to stay engaged. I know F13pro has redesigned the switches for removing ex…

> Current F13 expansion cards will pull out sometimes when you remove a USB cable That feels like a defect in your particular machine, not a design flaw. With my laptop, the cards are actually incredibly difficult to remove most of the time. I can't imagine one of them coming loose by accident.

I own three and they all do it on occasion. Usually with a USB cable that tends to fit more snugly in the port. I mentioned it in another post in this thread but I think the button on the bottom gets pushed accidentally while being handled and the latch becomes unseated.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by panick21_ »

legitster wrote: post #19
maxloh wrote: post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

I mean, yeah. There's a reason other companies don't focus on modularity or repairability. Its not free. We're not the target audience for this thing, but I'm at least happy there's a way people can put their money where their mouth is.

Apple could make a modular device to very close to the same price they do their current laptop. Its much more about size and supply chain then some minor changes in design. Maybe a little bit more extensive, but not more then 5-10%. They don't make it modular because they don't want it to be modular.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by craftkiller »

helterskelter wrote: post #39
craftkiller wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had the framework 13 since batch 5 of their original first model and that has never happened to me once. Are you sure you're pushing the expansion cards _all the way_ in? They should click and the little button between the cards should pop up slightly more when the cards are fully inserted. It is certainly possible to have the cards visually look inserted and work normally but haven't actually been pushed in far…

Yeah they are, but I've got some admittedly snug USB cables on my charger, other cables don't do it. I've looked at the latch mechanism and it seems sharp and not worn down, and it clicks when I put it in. I suspect the button on the bottom gets pressed accidentally and unseats the latch.

Ah that could be it. My laptop mostly sits on my desk at home so there's not much opportunity for the button to get hit accidentally.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by kristopolous »

dijit wrote: post #49
kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

Because realistically in the laptop computer space Apple is obliterating everything else right now. You can usually name a laptop that has some feature better than a macbook, but the overall package is so strong in so many avenues. Sound quality, screen quality (even without leaning on fancy new tech like OLED), trackpad quality. Would you rather they target the Dell Latitude (Coil Whine, crazy power-off issues cause…

But that doesn't matter.

If I'm looking at the framework or the Thinkpad or anything else I've said "no thanks" to Apple laptops

This is my starting point. I've already turned the Mac down.

It's like turning down a very specific slice of cake and then being offered the same kind of cake from different vendors when really you just want a salad

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by dijit »

kristopolous wrote: post #56
dijit wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because realistically in the laptop computer space Apple is obliterating everything else right now. You can usually name a laptop that has some feature better than a macbook, but the overall package is so strong in so many avenues. Sound quality, screen quality (even without leaning on fancy new tech like OLED), trackpad quality. Would you rather they target the Dell Latitude (Coil Whine, crazy power-off issues cause…

But that doesn't matter. If I'm looking at the framework or the Thinkpad or anything else I've said "no thanks" to Apple laptops This is my starting point. I've already turned the Mac down. It's like turning down a very specific slice of cake and then being offered the same kind of cake from different vendors when really you just want a salad

Why?

If for software: thats the point.

If for hardware (because its not serviceable): then thats what the framework is fixing.

It is no secret that Apple hardware is superior right now. If you don’t like that as a fact then convince Dell/HP/Lenovo to do better. It is a valid north star for Framework in the current ecosystem to differentiate but chase the best in market.

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Also, your comments are devoid of things that you actually feel like you’re missing. I think you’re just being snide because you've taken a position as “anything related to Apple is bad” which undermines a lot of genuine engineering they do.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by kristopolous »

tw04 wrote: post #43
kristopolous wrote: post #33

This is what I don't get, among computer uses, apple macs are a minority. I even went around at Linux conferences and counted, like 30-40%. Why are they so so dedicated to being as much as a look and feel clone as Mac as possible? I've got zero interest in a MacBook chaser. It's not like those are inaccessible to me. I've voluntarily said no to them. Why would I want someone else's imitation of it? "If you can see he…

Because you’re in the minority. The vast majority of the population views the build quality and materials of the macbook pro to be the standard by which all others are measured. The only thing that’s surprising is that you see 30-40% of the laptops at a Linux conference are macbooks given how poor to non-existent the Linux support is for the newer Apple silicon models.

Well not everyone is using Linux at a Linux conference. It's just a Linux majority space, not exclusive

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by cogman10 »

endominus wrote: post #29
maxloh wrote: post #12

I like their openness on hardware design. They open sourced their design under CC-BY-4.0 (surprisingly no NC!) in hope that it could enable reuse [1]. However, the whole thing is overpriced. Quoting kingsleyopara's comment 4 days ago [2], ...matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra…

Cost of the Macbook Pro 14 in 2031: another £1999 Cost of the Framework 13 upgrade kit in 2031: £499 The point of the upgradability and openness of the design is that you only have to pay that cost once , instead of every time you buy a laptop. How much will it cost to upgrade a MacBook's RAM if you decide you need more after a year or two? £2099?

Yup. Primary reason I just pulled the trigger for framework.

They've proven that they'll keep upgradability going over a few generations which means I'll be buying all my updates from them.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Major Upgrades and Linux Front and Center

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

cassianoleal wrote: post #2

Does anyone know how the Intel and AMD offerings compare? I take it battery life is better on Intel. What about performance for different tasks, such as coding, compiling, etc. What about local LLMs? Do both platforms have "unified memory" à la Apple Silicon? Neither?

AMD unfortunately didn't actually get faster this gen. panther lake is faster than zen5 mobile for both cpu and GPU (except for workloads where avx512 matters)
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