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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by esperent »

pogue wrote: post #14
esperent wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even better now that they have a paid offering with all that crap stripped out (Brave Origin) which is free on Linux.

Everyone has made these Brave debloat tools that basically do the same thing as their ridiculous Origin offering. To sell for $60 a web browser that technically has all the features removed is a pretty goofy move.

That's such a weird reaction. There's constantly, for years, people here asking for Firefox to just start offering a paid version to get away from needing support from Google. And yet when someone actually does that apparently it's goofy and we should just be manually stripping that out without paying.

If you can't afford it or don't want to pay, fine. But why are you trying to influence other people to do that by labelling it "goofy"?

How would you strip those things out mobile, by the way?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by gbear605 »

mmooss wrote: post #44
gbil wrote: post #19

If this means that they release a iOS version with the same Adblock features as brave then I’m sold. I use essentially all OSs and I want a browser with basic features like adblocking/custom filters on all the platforms and currently Firefox fails this on iOS devices. Still I believe the Firefox sync is much more robust than eg. Brave one , among various platforms. But then I will also need Firefox to fix keyboard sh…

What is the use case for keyboard shortcuts on handheld devices? On desktops/laptops, keyboard shortcuts save reaching for a mouse, aiming (on the relativley large screen), and clicking. On handhelds, I don't think it's faster to use a shortcut than to simply tap something an inch away. Also, on handhelds, the keyboard blocks a significant part of the screen. And keyboard shortcuts typically use accelerator keys, whi…

Could be referring to a physical keyboard attached to an iPad

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by JoshTriplett »

mmooss wrote: post #44
gbil wrote: post #19

If this means that they release a iOS version with the same Adblock features as brave then I’m sold. I use essentially all OSs and I want a browser with basic features like adblocking/custom filters on all the platforms and currently Firefox fails this on iOS devices. Still I believe the Firefox sync is much more robust than eg. Brave one , among various platforms. But then I will also need Firefox to fix keyboard sh…

What is the use case for keyboard shortcuts on handheld devices? On desktops/laptops, keyboard shortcuts save reaching for a mouse, aiming (on the relativley large screen), and clicking. On handhelds, I don't think it's faster to use a shortcut than to simply tap something an inch away. Also, on handhelds, the keyboard blocks a significant part of the screen. And keyboard shortcuts typically use accelerator keys, whi…

I have a physical keyboard for my foldable. Works great, except that keyboard shortcuts don't typically work as expected.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by userbinator »

devsda wrote: post #3

I hope this isn't a precursor to removing support for other AdBlock addons(MV2) citing native availability of an AdBlock engine and then gradually shift to acceptable ads etc.

As long as MITM proxies still work (which is something that Enterprise customers demand --- even the notoriously-closed Chrome needs to), it will always be possible to filter pages outside of any browser. I've been using one for over 2 decades and it works in any browser.

However, I am also concerned that this is an "embrace extend extinguish" move.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by JoshTriplett »

kulahan wrote: post #42
Paul-Craft wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can certainly imagine such a world. I don't use Brave because I don't want to support Brendan Eich.

So instead you use, what, Chrome because you want to support Sundar Pichai??

You are literally on a thread about Firefox, and you think someone saying they don't use Brave must be using Chrome?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Markoff »

For anyone looking for Android alternative:

Cromite - Chromium, MV2 extensions, good new tab page with 4x4 shortcuts (2x4 pinnable) with direct access to bookmarks

https://github.com/uazo/cromite/releases

Ultimatum - Chromium, MV2 extensions, not so good new tab page similar to original Chrome with only like 4 shortcuts without swiping, limitec customization, no password manager AFAIR

https://github.com/gonzazoid/Ultimatum/releases

Helium - Chromium, only MV3 extensions, built in browser from Graphene

https://github.com/jqssun/android-helium-browser/releases

Elixir - Chromium, only MV3, tabbed interface suitable for tablets

https://github.com/SF-FLAM/ElixirBrowser/releases

Former Kiwi Browser, then for about year IceRaven (Firefox) user up until recently when they fckd up already bad illogical UI and made it even worse, which was the last drop to again give up on this users hating browser (will never forget users begged for 10 years so dear devs will implement simple pull down to refresh).

On desktop the recommendation is much easier:

Vivaldi - Chromium, MV2, no AI, amazing customization compared to primitive Brave, faster than FF

https://vivaldi.com

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Markoff »

Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

Why not Cromite (or Ultimatum, Helium)? Hard to understand why someone reading HN use browser without extensions support.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by 16bitvoid »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #48
nuker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.

The Lite version, same as on Chrome, is actually available for Safari. Still not as good as the full one on Firefox though.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by nuker »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #47
nuker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

>Last holdout is Safari now Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...

> Why do people say crap like this...

1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first.

2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first.

3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopted as a web standard).

4. Full third-party cookie blocking (no exceptions) — 2020 (ITP in Safari 13.1); industry first for a major browser.

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