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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by topspin »

pogue wrote: post #14
esperent wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even better now that they have a paid offering with all that crap stripped out (Brave Origin) which is free on Linux.

Everyone has made these Brave debloat tools that basically do the same thing as their ridiculous Origin offering. To sell for $60 a web browser that technically has all the features removed is a pretty goofy move.

> a pretty goofy move

I'm doing a goofy thing and buying it, despite knowing I can debloat Brave, because I already do that. I didn't know this existed till I read this thread. I've been benefitting from Brave for many years now; it's great that they've provided a way to pay for this without dealing with the crypto stuff, and I'm extremely happy to do so, because they deserve some of my money.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by kulahan »

Paul-Craft wrote: post #31
gtrevorjay wrote: post #7

This feels like a betrayal of their ousting of Eich in the first place. I can't imagine a world I would do this and be able to look at myself in the mirror.

I can certainly imagine such a world. I don't use Brave because I don't want to support Brendan Eich.

So instead you use, what, Chrome because you want to support Sundar Pichai??

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by halapro »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #28
Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

The Greasemonkey Firefox addon that allows you to run site specific JS has been around for two decades [1]. [1] https://www.greasespot.net/2005/03/

It certainly is great to have first-party support for such a simple feature. It doesn't have to support the whole GM_ API

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by mmooss »

gbil wrote: post #19

If this means that they release a iOS version with the same Adblock features as brave then I’m sold. I use essentially all OSs and I want a browser with basic features like adblocking/custom filters on all the platforms and currently Firefox fails this on iOS devices. Still I believe the Firefox sync is much more robust than eg. Brave one , among various platforms. But then I will also need Firefox to fix keyboard sh…

What is the use case for keyboard shortcuts on handheld devices?

On desktops/laptops, keyboard shortcuts save reaching for a mouse, aiming (on the relativley large screen), and clicking. On handhelds, I don't think it's faster to use a shortcut than to simply tap something an inch away.

Also, on handhelds, the keyboard blocks a significant part of the screen. And keyboard shortcuts typically use accelerator keys, which are hard to use on handhelds.

Do you use Android with a physical keyboard?

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by tosti »

zephyreon wrote: post #5
devsda wrote: post #3

I hope this isn't a precursor to removing support for other AdBlock addons(MV2) citing native availability of an AdBlock engine and then gradually shift to acceptable ads etc.

Could definitely be writing on the wall that MV2 support will be deprecated in the future but imo not necessarily a bad thing if it’s not actively developed anyways. Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features. That said, if this is writing on the wall I’d hope they’ll listen to the community this time and allow the engine to be extend…

Why does everything have to be "actively developed"? Sometimes a program is just done. Better not touch it. I actually do downgrade packages when "actively developing" causes regressions. Not curl or anything sensitive like that, but local programs definately yes.

In case of the extension manifest, that's probably layered on top of the JS engine which does get attention and scrutiny. It's not like an API needs to be updated. If you'd always do that, nothing would ever be interoperable and we'd likely have a hard time trying to communicate.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Brybry »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #28
Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

The Greasemonkey Firefox addon that allows you to run site specific JS has been around for two decades [1]. [1] https://www.greasespot.net/2005/03/

And they even have a name: userscripts! [1]

Chrome also used to natively support userscripts back in 2010 [2] but they mostly killed it off

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Userscript

[2] https://lifehacker.com/chrome-4-supports-greasemonkey-usersc...

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs »

nuker wrote: post #33
pogue wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout. Brave still allows you to install uBlock & some other extensions that should technically not be supported under MV3, but they still ship it with support for those. Just heard about Helium browser, which is just dechromium + uBlock and it's still beta.

> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

>Last holdout is Safari now

Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

nuker wrote: post #33
pogue wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout. Brave still allows you to install uBlock & some other extensions that should technically not be supported under MV3, but they still ship it with support for those. Just heard about Helium browser, which is just dechromium + uBlock and it's still beta.

> Firefox is the last holdout. Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by ximm »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #6
devsda wrote: post #3

I hope this isn't a precursor to removing support for other AdBlock addons(MV2) citing native availability of an AdBlock engine and then gradually shift to acceptable ads etc.

The day Firefox drops MV2 is the day I find a new browser. We're already at <1% usershare, it's not like there's safety in numbers here

Firefox supports webRequestBlocking with MV3, so even if they fully remove support for MV2, ad blocking is still available.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by eduction »

vachina wrote: post #39
Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

I don’t see how supporting Chromium is better than not supporting an alternate rendering engine. Firefox for the end-user is fantastic.

People build on chromium for the same reason they build on Linux. I’d personally prefer if they built on illumos or bsd but at a certain point people would rather spend their innovation budget higher up the stack and benefit from the platform that has the most open source engineers working on it.
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