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Re: Google Flow Music

#41
it can't remix. even comfyui can remix on my desktop. I've used udio, suno, comfyui with the music generation models, and one other site that i can't remember the name of since it was through a friend.

They all kinda suck, you do have to run generation many times unless you're very lucky.

I and my friend wrote 10 albums between 1997 and 2007. we went solo for geographical regions, and i stopped writing music altogether in 2017 or so, only doing arrangements, mashups, mastering.

I can't use this google product to make a song. source for credentials is my youtube, soundclick, and soundcloud accounts, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXro-e0e7aA

and now i don't even know if i ever want to get back into music, because i can rapidly generate a "good enough for the moment" track, like when the south korean president tried to coup: https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/i-aint-even-writing-music-a... Oh by the way the lyrics are in lojban except for "... and the people were pissed"

the oldest stuff on those three sites i mentioned is all hand written by me over the years.

Re: Google Flow Music

#42
It's good, I have this song I generated last year with Suno which stuck with me and I just tried having Flow generate a variant and it was acceptable. Sometimes the lyrics get modified for no reason. It would be better if you could control emphasis by specifying tags or something along those lines, but it seems fun to play around. If there was an intermediate step where a symbolic or partial processing of your input was shown for tweaking, it would be immensely powerful.

One of the key issues that I encountered after a few song generations is that it feels very rushed, like it's constrained to this 3 minute limit per song so it forces every section of the song to conform to a very specific structure. I tried increasing the limit to 4 minutes but it still gave me 3 minute songs.

Honestly, I feel like this product is showing up a bit late to the party and it's not really feeling particularly innovative. There's nothing egregiously bad about it, but it doesn't seem to add anything new or special that I could notice.

I don't have a microphone hooked up so I can't try the voice interface, but it would be really fun if you could sing to it in order to iteratively compose a song. It could clean up your voice a bit and add music. Or being able to hum out a beat which it converts into a track which you slowly build up. Is anyone able to try if those capabilities are possible with the existing product?

Overall, I'm not sure if a chat interface is the best way to produce a song. It feels very restrictive to have full songs as the primary iteration mechanism. In a text file and in code you can inspect or modify different sections or components very easily. I think a more human-focused tool would provide an on-ramp towards full music production, where you can focus on the parts that you care about and enjoy, while the AI tool fills the other parts with sausage. Right now you can chat with the tool but it appears to be quite limited in the kind of changes that it can make.

Re: Google Flow Music

#43
post #9

What I really hate about all of this, whether it’s music, images, video or anything else, is how much they all use the word “create.” As in, you can create the music you’ve always imagined. You. Are. Not. Creating. Anything. You are prompting. Then tweaking, changing, adjusting, etc. The tech is incredible, don’t get me wrong, but it’s advertised so blatantly as the user doing the creating. Use it as a creativity too…

How does that work with using a camera to take photos?

I’m a photographer, I have almost a quarter million photos in my archives. When I take a photo, 90% of it is composition, during which I move around, analyze lighting, background, aperture, shutter speed, exposure and a whole lot of “what do I want to capture here?”

The other 10% is editing, which for me involves minor color adjustments, highlights, shadows, cropping, etc. I make all the decisions.

AI can generate an image based on a prompt, and that’s fine, but I would never, never claim to have created that output myself.

Re: Google Flow Music

#44
This is the type of thing that really doesn't interest me. Algorithmic junk that sounds "good", similar to the kind of writing an LLM generates. Sure you can do it, but the main use cases are AI Slop (IMO). Slopify is a great name

Re: Google Flow Music

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just keep reporting AI slop videos (incl music) on YT, and sometimes the videos or even entire channel vanish. I hope I'm contributing to this process to keep YT safe, but I'm just one guy, and they probably have a much bigger effort internally. The downside for Google is, ultimately, the death of the company. Nobody wants AI slop, and go out of their way to actively avoid it and punish companies that promote it. G…

The people in charge here don’t give a fuck about the long term. Reap as much profits for yourself as you can before everything inevitably collapses - that’s the prevailing current trend. Let the lizard brain take over and just feel good in the moment, why worry about the future.

Unfortunately, this is probably true for Google.

Once you have that particular brand of cancer, its too late to save the company without drastic measures.

Re: Google Flow Music

#46
It can generate something well produced, but it's really bad at applying taste or direction in the way a human does.

The workflow feels wrong. it should be closer to a DAW with chat, where the model outputs stems, samples and arrangement parts instead of one finished track. Then you could target a specific sound, section or idea and actually develop it.

Re: Google Flow Music

#49

Ok, someone explain the use case for this? Jingles? Making a song about your friend / sig other? Are people thinking they are going to sell these songs and create an AI artist?

people like to think they're successful but they don't like effort. So this will let them pretend they're artists.

Also, probably someone will game an algorithm to get revenue from a bajillion tracks of lofi slop.

Re: Google Flow Music

#50

Why did Google bother? They're a music store, they sell music, both to own, but also renting their vast library out. Google should learn not to shit where they eat.

Because of ads and background music for YouTube.
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