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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by avazhi »

shimman wrote: post #798
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

Honestly the China scare mongering is borderline hilarious. The US has literally attacked two countries this year in the span of weeks and is blockading another causing needless deaths. Not too mention the last 50 years of US imperialism making the world a worse place for everyone, except to benefit the few (doesn't benefit Americans, only capitalists). The idea that China is worse than America is laughable. LMK when…

Did you miss the part where Iran spent the past 50 years promising to develop nuclear weapons and then use them on both Israel and America, or do just choose to conveniently ignore that when you go on rants like this? In one of the last rounds of talks before the war Kushner and Witkoff offered Iran free nuclear fuel in perpetuity in exchange for the weapons grade uranium and got turned down, so clearly the Iranians weren’t just bluffing.

This war could have been handled much differently and better, but acting like America attacked Iran for no reason is laughable. It is in fact America’s inexplicable reticence to kill Iranian civilians that is the reason this is going on for this long. America could have ended this in a few days if it had stopped worrying about being criticised by the rest of the world that hates it anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-wa...

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by 93po »

mwigdahl wrote: post #693
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #188

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American companies want a scan of your asshole for the privilege of paying to access their models, and unapologetically admit to storing, analyzing, training on, and freely giving your data to any authorities if requested. Chinese ulteriority is hypothetical, American is blatant.

I, personally, have never been asked for an asshole scan, but I'm interested in providing one if you can point me to a company that's offering.

GoatseAI - the type of open that OpenAI should have been from the start

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by Maxatar »

kccqzy wrote: post #670
throwa356262 wrote: post #217

Seriously, why can't huge companies like OpenAI and Google produce documentation that is half this good?? https://api-docs.deepseek.com/guides/thinking_mode No BS, just a concise description of exactly what I need to write my own agent.

I spent only two minutes reading their documentation and it’s clear no one did any proofreading and it’s full of mistakes made by non-native speakers. Example: the second sentence on the first page says “softwares” but “software” is a mass noun that cannot be pluralized. Example: the third page about tokens has some zipped code to “calculate the token usage for your intput/output” and obviously “intput” should be “in…

Yeah I think those details are the least of most peoples concerns. I can't vouch one way or another for DeepSeek's documentation but for me what matters most when reading documentation is being able to get the information I want efficiently, not whether someone spelled "software" as "softwares", which is a very common spelling in Asia as an FYI.

I read OpenAI or Anthropic's documentation nowadays and it's just so full of useless junk and self-congratulation that makes it a miserable experience to go through. It's a real shame because OpenAI used to write stellar documentation and publish really lucid papers just few years ago.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by [deleted] »

Kuyawa wrote: post #710

I am using DeepSeek extensively to develop apps, three in the last month, with my own CLI coding agent [1] developed by DeepSeek itself line by line. I haven't spent $1 yet in well over 10 million tokens. If I considered myself a 10X programmer, now I am 100X. Love DeepSeek. [1] https://github.com/kuyawa/mecha-ai

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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by cg5280 »

falkenstein wrote: post #380
ifwinterco wrote: post #278

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As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

america is a continent. let’s take back our vocabulary (fellow european here). the little orange man shows very well what i mean when he started giving names to the gulf of mexico.

It's also a country. Not sure what insisting we change our demonym accomplishes.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by glenstein »

nabakin wrote: post #804
jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

> Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. That is a huge claim to make with no evidence. I researched what you said, and I have found no statement to that effect in their paper[0], on huggingface[1], twitter[2], WeChat[3], or in their news release[4]. They only mention as a footnote in only the Chinese version of their news release that they plan to reduce inference costs with…

Comments like this are why I go to the comments! I never would have thought to check.

And while I'm here I want to note that I feel there's a big misunderstanding of what is and isn't demonstrated by DeepSeek. So far as I can tell the major (and important!) innovation is reproducing near-frontier level capabilities at a fraction of the cost, but it may be the case that iterating forward at the frontier is the costly thing and is a cost borne by Western companies and that nuance seems to get lost with DeepSeek. Which is not to say that as a matter of principle that non Western companies aren't sometimes capable of jumping into the lead (Kimi has been super impressive) but if GPT/Claude/etc "only" lead at the frontier with more expensive models, that's still a moat.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by glenstein »

riskd wrote: post #763
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

Are third world users opinions of lesser value?

Are there distinct third world opinions in one direction or the other? I've tended to assume they are non-unitary rather than broadly converging on one side or the other.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by mrinterweb »

I'm too concerned with data exfiltration to use many AI services unless their terms of service state they will not use your data for training or anything else. Zero retention is what I'm looking for. I care because I frequently work on proprietary code that I do not personally own (as most employed software devs do). So if I am using an AI service with proprietary code, I want assurances that there is no retention and no training happening. From my American perspective Chinese companies don't have the best track record of not training on proprietary information. I guess LLMs in general are trained on a lot of proprietary information. I just don't want to be responsible for unintentionally exfiltrating my employer's proprietary code.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by ChrisClark »

kccqzy wrote: post #670
throwa356262 wrote: post #217

Seriously, why can't huge companies like OpenAI and Google produce documentation that is half this good?? https://api-docs.deepseek.com/guides/thinking_mode No BS, just a concise description of exactly what I need to write my own agent.

I spent only two minutes reading their documentation and it’s clear no one did any proofreading and it’s full of mistakes made by non-native speakers. Example: the second sentence on the first page says “softwares” but “software” is a mass noun that cannot be pluralized. Example: the third page about tokens has some zipped code to “calculate the token usage for your intput/output” and obviously “intput” should be “in…

Nobody cares, we're talking about quality documentation here, not a couple spelling mistakes

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by scottyah »

shimman wrote: post #798
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

Honestly the China scare mongering is borderline hilarious. The US has literally attacked two countries this year in the span of weeks and is blockading another causing needless deaths. Not too mention the last 50 years of US imperialism making the world a worse place for everyone, except to benefit the few (doesn't benefit Americans, only capitalists). The idea that China is worse than America is laughable. LMK when…

So you're good with the takeover of Hong Kong and what they're doing with the Uyghurs? I think you're getting a pretty biased feed of news. I'm not saying China is the devil, but the trite "USA bad because [overhyped recent news]" is a crazy take. There's plenty of bad stuff that has been done by Americans you could have called out.
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