Live data from Hacker News

US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

cnn.com

251–260 of 816 posts

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#251
post #36

Are prediction markets regulated? Is this about breaking the laws regarding prediction markets or is this about leaking classified information? I skimmed but not sure still. Someone more cynical can say that this is about protecting Thiel’s investment(if people think it’s rigged may stop playing) or making sure that only big G makes money with classified information.

All fungible markets are prediction markets. The idea that only some are is a mirage.

Sure, but in some you’re explicitly predicting the time someone gets black bagged, or an invasion happens - or you’re predicting next months oil price, which may be a defacto proxy, but has less moral hazard if you’re a random special ops guy.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#252

That’s hilarious … so he’s arrested and put on trial and all the senate and congress are doing the exact same and free? lol

At this point insider trading issue has run away so hard I don't see how it can be tamed without revolutionary frameworks. If we look at crypto then I'm not sure we want to live in a world where insider trading is normalized either so we ought to start working on these new frameworks as soon as possible but nobody seems to care.

You're wrong.

It's just that the problem is not the trading or betting side, the problem is the information producing side.

E.g. imagine he placed a bet that Maduro would get shot in is left eye and die.

Same goes for the congress. Them making money is by far a smaller issue compared to the havoc they can cause trying to make a few bucks on their crazy bets.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#253
post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its valid to say a lot of things. But it doesn't escape you from having to own those choices. You are what you'll accept, and you looked at the choices given and said "I'm okay with either one". Because the consequences of whatever mutual dissatisfaction you had still means one of them gained power and implemented their agenda anyway. And you were okay with that. You don't get to not make a decision and then pretend…

the other person was talking about not making a decision, so you've transposed an idea not mentioned at all onto my comment good luck out there what to remember: the goal of the parties are to win friends and influence people, it's a weird meme that you aren't doing that and neither is the other party. time to re-evaluate the communication style yeah? proselytizing isn't working

[deleted]

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#254
post #236
post #42

Since this is relevant to many HN comments, copy-pasted the charges from the pdf indictment in the linked page: Count 1 - Unlawful Use of Confidential Government Information for Personal Gain Count 2 - Theft of Nonpublic Government Information Count 3 - Commodities Fraud Count 4 - Wire Fraud Count 5 - Engaging in a Monetary Transaction in Property Derived from Specified Unlawful Activity

> Count 5 - Engaging in a Monetary Transaction in Property Derived from Specified Unlawful Activity For a moment there I read this as the unlawful activity was Maduro's arrest, and someone made money on that fact.

Well, the supreme court has already given Trump full immunity for things like this, so they could easily label it a crime and start charging anyone involved they don't like. What you described sounds hilarious and crazy right now, but I fully expect something like this to happen eventually while the US further descends into fascism.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#255
post #234
post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the parent mentioned military secrets in particular? But the insider trading is already well documented e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge0grppe3po

Pretty sure Count 1 through 5 above cover insider trading by administration officials too.

The problem is "insider trading" has a definition and acting based on knowledge of government secrets isn't what it is.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sycophants in DC Who? Because if you have evidence of military secrets being leaked through prediction markets, we actually need that journalistic record maintained.

There's plenty of evidence of it happening, if you consider the odds of surges of pre-market trading of oil futures 20 minutes before Trump tweets on Iran happening coincidentally. The actual finding of who's who has to be done by the U.S. law enforcement, who aren't really interested.

> plenty of evidence of it happening

There is circumstantial evidence. We need to collate that. But nothing trumps direct evidence. If someone has that I will bend over backwards to find a way to securely connect them with, at the very least, a reporter who can document it so it shows up in an internet search when an empowered staffer starts down this path.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#257
post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only aristocrats can play that game. The soldier is being punished for doing something not allowed for his class status. This is how a caste system works. People is not judged based on their actions but their relationship to power.

> This is how a caste system works. Not at all. In a caste system a lower caste person will get attacked if he (or especially she) has any success at all. Whether or not what they did was legal or not does not factor into the equation. First priority is that the highest up dalit is lower than the worst drunkard brahmin, even if they have to kill them.

Tulsa once had what was known as Black Wall Street. There were too many successful black men, so 1921 in the whites massacred everybody. They even brought in planes and dropped bombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#258
post #224

What’s the point of prediction markets? They are just ordinary gambling unless you allow insider trading and manipulation, because that’s the only way the market can acquire and represent novel useful information. But if you allow those things, you run into a host of well-documented problems which are the reason why those things are forbidden in other markets. As it stands, prediction markets seem like a tech-aligned…

The original point is to use crowd wisdom. Crowds seem better than single individuals to predict outcomes of certain types of events.

I think this is visible in sports betting markets. Unless all games are rigged, games outcomes are fairly random events, and betting markets are pretty good at assessing the probabilities of a team winning. Same thing happens in finance. Option markets are really good at assessing the probabilities of asset movements.

The thing though is that these markets are only good in predicting recurring events like game results or financial asset movements. They are good _overall_, as in, if you take 100,000 sport games, the bettings odds are going to be overall in line with what actually happens.

Hence some people deduced that crowds with skin in the game were wise in predicting random stuff. And what happened then is that some of them thought this kind of predictive power could apply to any kind of event, and then predictive markets were created, with the idea that crowds could magically come up with odds for anything, and that would be fairly correct. But what works for recurring events don't hold for single events like Maduro's capture or the end of the Iran war. So the odds in these market is only the result of influence and insider information.

The result is that the odds are generally completely off, unless there is insider information. That's kind of what happened in the 2008 financial crisis. The bets there were on loans defaulting. These events are rare enough that it's impossible to assess their probability easily. And so banks relied on rating agencies (influence), to price the odds of these events happening. Rating agencies were wrong on a lot of these bets, meaning all the bets were placed at very very wrong prices, resulting in the crisis we saw.

The weird outcome of it all, is that those prediction markets have become insider information detectors. That's how they caught the guy. Whoever is winning big on these markets is necessarily cheating.

But I guess the main takeaway for me is that society is in such a state that a lot of people actually bet big on these things. Probably a combination of being fed dreams of fortune since childhood and the american dream not delivering. It's all very sad.

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#259
post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is how a caste system works. Not at all. In a caste system a lower caste person will get attacked if he (or especially she) has any success at all. Whether or not what they did was legal or not does not factor into the equation. First priority is that the highest up dalit is lower than the worst drunkard brahmin, even if they have to kill them.

Tulsa once had what was known as Black Wall Street. There were too many successful black men, so 1921 in the whites massacred everybody. They even brought in planes and dropped bombs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

[flagged]

Re: US special forces soldier arrested after allegedly winning $400k on Maduro raid

#260
post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not it. It’s that there isn’t an Attorney General who would dare attempt raise a case against the hand that feeds them.

In theory the separation of powers should prevent this.

What does separation of powers mean when both houses, the president, and the Supreme Court are controlled by the same party?

At the moment the US is just Big Poland (PiS era).

Post reply on HN