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Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by pzo »

puppystench wrote: post #145
Someone1234 wrote: post #65

I'd like to draw people's attention to this section of this page: https://developers.openai.com/codex/pricing?codex-usage-limi... Note the Local Messages between 5.3, 5.4, and 5.5. And, yes, I did read the linked article and know they're claiming that 5.5's new efficient should make it break-even with 5.4, but the point stands, tighter limits/higher prices.

For API usage, GPT-5.5 is 2x the price of GPT-5.4, ~4x the price of GPT-5.1, and ~10x the price of Kimi-2.6. Unfortunately I think the lesson they took from Anthropic is that devs get really reliant and even addicted on coding agents, and they'll happily pay any amount for even small benefits.

On top of that I noticed just right now after updating macos dekstop codex app, I got again by default set speed to 'fast' ('about 1.5x faster with increased plan usage'). They really want you to burn more tokens.

Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by jstummbillig »

mangolie wrote: post #76
jstummbillig wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are paying per token, but what you care about is token efficiency. If token efficiency has improved by as much as they claim it did (i.e. you need less tokens to complete a task successfully) all seems well.

Not for coding because it actually needs to read and write large files

Tbf, I have not super kept track of what is actually happening inside the "thinking" portion of recent releases. But last time I checked there still was a lot of verbosity and mistakes, that beat the actual amount of required, usable code generation by a wide margin.

Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by senko »

I might just be following too many AI-related people on X, but omg the media blitz around 5.5 is aggressive.

Soo many unconvincing "I've had access for three weeks and omg it's amazing" takes, it actually primes me for it to be a "meh".

I prefer to see for myself, but the gradual rollout, combined with full-on marketing campaign, is annoying.

Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by ewrs »

kingstnap wrote: post #172
puppystench wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For API usage, GPT-5.5 is 2x the price of GPT-5.4, ~4x the price of GPT-5.1, and ~10x the price of Kimi-2.6. Unfortunately I think the lesson they took from Anthropic is that devs get really reliant and even addicted on coding agents, and they'll happily pay any amount for even small benefits.

I feel like devs generally spend someone else's money on tokens. Either their employers or OpenAIs when they use a codex subscription. If I put on my schizo hat. Something they might be doing is increasing the losses on their monthly codex subscriptions, to show that the API has a higher margin than before (the codex account massively in the negative, but the API account now having huge margins). I've never seen an O…

Yeah and the increase in operating expenses is going to make managers start asking hard questions - this is good. It means eventually there will be budgets put in place - this will force OAI and Anthropic to innovate harder. Then we will see how things pan out. Ultimately a firm is not going to pay rent to these firms if the benefits dont exceed the costs.

Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by energy123 »

mudkipdev wrote: post #160

This is 3x the price of GPT-5.1, released just 6 months ago. Is no one else alarmed by the trend? What happens when the cheaper models are deprecated/removed over time?

Look a cost per intelligence or cost per task instead of cost per token.

Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by retr0rocket »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #125
kingstnap wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The meshes look interesting, but the gameplay is very basic. The tank one seems more sophisticated with the flying ships and whatnot. What's strange is that this Pietro Schirano dude seems to write incredibly cargo cult prompts. Game created by Pietro Schirano, CEO of MagicPath Prompt: Create a 3D game using three.js. It should be a UFO shooter where I control a tank and shoot down UFOs flying overhead. - Think step…

> Think Step By Step What is this, 2023? I feel like this was generated by a model tapping in to 2023 notions of prompt engineering.

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Re: GPT-5.5

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Post by oh_no »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #42

Pricing: $5/1M input, $30/1M output (same input price and 20% more output price than Opus 4.7)

yes but as far as i know gpt tokenizer is about the same as opus 4.6's, where 4.7 is seeing something in the ballpark of a 30% increase. this should still be cheaper even disregarding the concerns around 4.7 thinking burning tokens
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