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To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#101
The big question they didn't even scratch is doesn't he have to pay the fines in the end? I don't understand why someone would be ok to pay probably 10k to 40k of fines every year just for a dozen of mph excessive speed.

I would easily guess that he does that because he is able to have the fine waived by abusing of his status!

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#102
post #76

> The expert, former cop turned criminal justice professor Michael Alcazar, said Giovansanti should face “serious discipline.” But that’s not happening — an NYPD spokesperson shrugged off the suggestion of punishment because Giovansanti’s tickets are “not related to his job or his duties in the department.” This angers me. Police officers are granted special privileges that ordinary citizens are not, and should be he…

The same way we can trust an overweight doctor, a depressed therapist, a housecleaner who doesn't make their bed, or me to verify code I push to corporate repos even while I vibecode apps at home for fun without paying attention. I don't understand the basis for applying this standard to cops.

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Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

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post #76

> The expert, former cop turned criminal justice professor Michael Alcazar, said Giovansanti should face “serious discipline.” But that’s not happening — an NYPD spokesperson shrugged off the suggestion of punishment because Giovansanti’s tickets are “not related to his job or his duties in the department.” This angers me. Police officers are granted special privileges that ordinary citizens are not, and should be he…

What that spokesperson is saying isn't the whole truth. Departments can discipline or terminate people who dont meet their character clause, including being a scofflaw. They only apply it in whatever way they feel benefits them.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#104
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYPD policy should probably consider repeated reckless disregard for the law to be a discipline issue.

If he paid the fine, I don't know that it's disregard for the law. The laws says if you do this, you owe a fine. If you pay the fine, it's following the law.

> The laws says if you do this, you owe a fine. If you pay the fine, it's following the law.

You're following the part of the law that punishes you for violating the other part of the law, not the law that originally punished you. This is an important distinction.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#105

The big question they didn't even scratch is doesn't he have to pay the fines in the end? I don't understand why someone would be ok to pay probably 10k to 40k of fines every year just for a dozen of mph excessive speed. I would easily guess that he does that because he is able to have the fine waived by abusing of his status!

I gather his fines are waived administrativelly by the PD itself.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#106
> at more than 41 mph across the island

Is Staten Island like Hawaii, where everyone drives slow? Because they're talking like 41 mph is super fast, but to me it's not that fast at all (here the interstate is 70 mph, arterial city streets are 40-50 mph, and people regularly speed).

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#107
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> escalating multiplier for reoffense within the same category of offense with a cool down period of a few years if they don't break the law. My country - Poland - implemented this part a couple of years ago. Specifically a reoffense in the same category within two years results in a higher tier fine - about twice the usual amount. Fines were also adjusted for inflation after over 20 years of being nominally the same…

Jesus christ, 140kph?!? That’s fast. Max speed limit where i live is 120kph and that feels too fast for most roads.

For Americans, 120 kph is ~75mph and 140kph is ~85mph. I think there is a single road in the US with an 85 speed limit, and only some states use 75-80.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#108
post #42

That's absolutely horrifying... Relatively small increases in speed dramatically increase the stopping distance and as such the danger of driving. Especially with a huge truck like that. That's why Amsterdam (with much more food traffic) has recently reduced speed limits a lot. > At 30km/h, the stopping distance of a car is 13 metres. At 50km/h it’s more than double at 27 metres. That 20km/h reduction is the crucial…

What you're saying is all true, but typically road design influence driving speed more than anything. Changing speed limits rarely has an impact on that (at least in the US).

Really you should do both. Otherwise you do end up with roads that feel like you have to go slow but nominally you're allowed to go fast (and some drivers will certainly take that opportunity).

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#109
post #76

> The expert, former cop turned criminal justice professor Michael Alcazar, said Giovansanti should face “serious discipline.” But that’s not happening — an NYPD spokesperson shrugged off the suggestion of punishment because Giovansanti’s tickets are “not related to his job or his duties in the department.” This angers me. Police officers are granted special privileges that ordinary citizens are not, and should be he…

The same way we can trust an overweight doctor, a depressed therapist, a housecleaner who doesn't make their bed, or me to verify code I push to corporate repos even while I vibecode apps at home for fun without paying attention. I don't understand the basis for applying this standard to cops.

Huh? Your examples are all people failing at something that merely resembles their job. For the analogy to work, Giovansanti would need to be failing at something in his personal life that resembles traffic enforcement. Instead he's doing the exact thing his job exists to prevent.

Re: To Protect and Swerve: NYPD Cop Has 547 Speeding Tickets

#110
post #76

> The expert, former cop turned criminal justice professor Michael Alcazar, said Giovansanti should face “serious discipline.” But that’s not happening — an NYPD spokesperson shrugged off the suggestion of punishment because Giovansanti’s tickets are “not related to his job or his duties in the department.” This angers me. Police officers are granted special privileges that ordinary citizens are not, and should be he…

The same way we can trust an overweight doctor, a depressed therapist, a housecleaner who doesn't make their bed, or me to verify code I push to corporate repos even while I vibecode apps at home for fun without paying attention. I don't understand the basis for applying this standard to cops.

> I don't understand the basis for applying this standard to cops.

Because those other examples don't involve breaking the law.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious: society holds breaking the law to be more serious than being fat or not making your bed.

Now, speeding is very much a lesser form of breaking the law...but then again, very few people have literally hundreds of speeding tickets.

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