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I am building a cloud

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Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by ianberdin »

“Everything is shit. Believe me. We will do something better, just believe me.”

Jokes aside: - k8s is insane peace of software. A right tool for a big problem. Not for your toys. Yes, it is crazy difficult to setup and manage. Then what?

- cloud has bad and slow disk. BS. They have perfectly fast NVME.

Something else? That’s it.

Why I am so confident? I used to setup and manage kubernetes for 2 years. I have some experience. Do I use it more? Nope. Not a right tool for me. Ansible with some custom Linux tools fits better for Me.

I also build my own cloud. But if I say it less loud: hosting to host websites for https://playcode.io. Yea, it is hard and with a lot of compromises. Like networking, yes I want to communicate between vms in any region. Or disks and reliability. What about snapshots? And many bare metal renters gives only 1Gbt/s. Which is not fine. Or they ask way more for 10Gbt uplink. So it is easy to build some limited and unreliable shit or non scalable.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by debo_ »

ratg13 wrote: post #213
yard2010 wrote: post #98

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I love Hetzner so much. I'm not affiliated I'm a really happy customer these guys just do everything right.

As long as you never have to interact with them. If you run into issues they have caused themselves, you'll find yourself dealing with a unique mix of arrogance and incompetence.

Are you sure they're not just being German and you are misinterpreting what they are saying?

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by iqihs »

jFriedensreich wrote: post #284

I have trouble seeing how this is different to linode, if i invest time in a new VM api, this has to work for cloud or my own machines transparently. Lastly as much as i share the disappointment in k8s promise, this seems a bit too simple, there is a reason homelabs mostly standardised on compose files.

linode came to mind as well but OP seems to be much more focused on building cloud as a hardware service rather than VM

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Post by messh »

sahil-shubham wrote: post #131

The point about VMs being the wrong shape because they’re tied to CPU/memory resonates hard. The abstraction forces you to pay for time, not work. I ended up buying a cheap auctioned Hetzner server and using my self-hostable Firecracker orchestrator on top of it ( https://github.com/sahil-shubham/bhatti , https://bhatti.sh ) specifically because I wanted the thing he’s describing — buy some hardware, carve it into as…

Vms hosted in Hetzner auction instances is exactly how shellbox works. I published more details in here: https://shellbox.dev/blog/race-to-the-bottom.html

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by bharat1010 »

ownagefool wrote: post #232
adamtulinius wrote: post #89

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If you spin up Kubernetes for "a couple of containers to run your web app", I think you're doing something wrong in the first place, also coupled with your comment about adding SDN to Kubernetes. People use Kubernetes for way too small things, and it sounds like you don't have the scale for actually running Kubernetes.

It depends what you're doing it. My app is fairly simple node process with some side car worker processes. k8s enables me to deploy it 30 times for 30 PRs, trivially, in a standard way, with standard cleanup. Can I do that without k8s? Yes. To the same standard with the same amount of effort? Probably not. Here, I'd argue the k8s APIs and interfaces are better than trying to do this on AWS ( or your preferred cloud p…

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Post by iqihs »

hbhhh wrote: post #334

HeavyBit is absolutely gross. I've heard lots of horrible things about them from multiple founders. One of my friends was told to come to a sex party that was all male and he is straight. It soured his relationship with the firm so much he ended up winding down the business.

o.O

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by skybrian »

Gareth321 wrote: post #269
skybrian wrote: post #56

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Sometimes “better” means “customized for my specific use case.” I expect that there will be a lot of custom software that never appears in any app store.

If we take it a step further, in a few years, why would anyone purchase generic software anymore? If we can perfectly customise software for our needs and preferences for almost free, why would anyone purchase generic software from an App Store? I genuinely think Apple's business model is in jeopardy.

Most apps aren’t standalone and the services they depend on are nontrivial to build. For example, maybe you could vibe code a guitar tuner app, but not a ride share app.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by radlad »

indigodaddy wrote: post #358
radlad wrote: post #348

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Just as a quick aside, I tried Coolify, Dokploy, Dockge, and Komodo, and if you're trying to do a Heroku-style PaaS, Dokploy is really good. Hands down the best UX for delivering apps & databases. It's too bad about the licensing. (e.g. OIDC + audit logs behind a paid enterprise license.) Coolify is full of features, but the UX suffers and they had a nasty breaking bug at one point (related to Traefik if you want to…

I use Cosmos Cloud on a free 24g oracle VM. Nice UI, solid system

Cosmos Cloud looks neat! At a first glance from looking at the web page, it looks more focused on delivering a "personal cloud" or "1-click deploy apps."

Dokploy is more Heroku-styled: while you can deploy third-party apps (it's just Docker after all), it seems really geared towards and intended for you to be deploying your own apps that you developed, alongside a "managed" database (meaning, the DB is exposed in the UI, includes backup functionality, and can even be temporarily exposed publicly on the internet for debugging.)

Coolify feels a bit like a mix of the two deployment models, while Dockge is "bring your own deployment" and Komodo offers to replace Terraform/Ansible/docker-compose through its own declarative GitOps-style file-based config but lacks features like managed databases, or built-in subdomain provisioning.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by r_lee »

jcgrillo wrote: post #275
hkt wrote: post #157

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DevOps here. The trouble is that we are literally expected to do this everywhere we go. I've personally advocated for approaches which use say, a pair of dedicated servers, or VMs as in GPs example. If you want it outside of AWS/GCP/Azure, you're regarded as a crazy person. If you don't adopt "best practices" (as defined by vendors) then management are scared. Management very often trust the sales and marketing depar…

> Management very often trust the sales and marketing departments of big vendors more than their own staff. They're getting kickbacks from cloud vendors. Prove me wrong.

not sure if this is a thing with Cloud vendors, but e.g. in Finance, you'll definitely get the opportunity to call your rep over for free fancy dinners or whatever you want, because those are "customer meetings"

better than nothing, I don't blame em.

Re: I am building a cloud

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Post by a34729t »

dajonker wrote: post #74

> Making Kubernetes good is inherently impossible, a project in putting (admittedly high quality) lipstick on a pig. So well put, my good sir, this describes exactly my feelings with k8s. It always starts off all good with just managing a couple of containers to run your web app. Then before you know it, the devops folks have decided that they need to put a gazillion other services and an entire software-defined netw…

As the strongest engineer I ever worked with commented: "Across multiple FAANG-adjacent companies, I've never seen a k8s migration go well and not require a complete reimplementation of k8s behind the APIs."
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