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Re: Another Day Has Come

#101

Post by benoau »

post-it wrote: post #97
benoau wrote: post #93

Tim Cook, 2014: > When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI Tim Cook, 2023: > Lawyers suggested Cook himself was involved with how the warning to App Store customers would appear, recommending an update to the text that appears when the external links were clicked. In one version, that link warned customers they were “no longer transacting with Apple.” Later, the link…

Could you clarify your intended meaning in placing these quotes side by side?

He micro-managed minimizing the cost of developers using third party payments in apps, so his nonchalance to ROI is likely overstated - or changed significantly since 2014.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by bombcar »

colesantiago wrote: post #55
dreamcompiler wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of whether you agree with his opinions, Gruber invented Markdown. The world would be a very different place today without it.

> Regardless of whether you agree with his opinions, Gruber invented Markdown. The world would be a very different place today without it. So? And also...with substantial contributions from Aaron Swartz. Not solely Gruber. Gruber is only known for his Daring Fireball blog amongst everyone important, only techies care about his Markdown 'invention'. Markdown is just a side project for him.

I had no idea Markdown had an inventor (but obviously someone had to do it) - I guess I thought it evolved from usenet on its own.

And I only knew of Gruber as "the Mac guy" and (am embarrassed to admit) that I thought the daring fireball was another Mac guy.

Re: Another Day Has Come

#103

Post by bombcar »

brk wrote: post #91
throw0101d wrote: post #76

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> Until now Apple hasn't addressed the mass market in nearly two decades. Going back to 2008: > But the most fun on the conference call came when he parried analysts’ questions about new product areas that Apple might or might not enter. A recurring question among Apple watchers for decades has been, “When is Apple going to introduce a low-cost computer? > Mr. Jobs answered that decades-old complaint by stating, “We…

There is more to it than just accounting for inflation. Apple has done a number of other things in the meantime, including designing and manufacturing their own chips, that have changed the economies of this. Until the very recent RAM price explosion, a sub $500 computer in 2008 was probably more like a sub $350 computer today.

Inflation goes up - someone who could buy a $500 computer in 2008 should be able to buy a $766 or so computer today (cite: https://www.usinflationcalculator.com)

But today, if you can finagle the EDU discount, you can get a MacBook Neo for $499 ($600 without) which apparently isn't really compromised in any major way.

Re: Another Day Has Come

#104

Post by tines »

benoau wrote: post #101
post-it wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you clarify your intended meaning in placing these quotes side by side?

He micro-managed minimizing the cost of developers using third party payments in apps, so his nonchalance to ROI is likely overstated - or changed significantly since 2014.

That’s a pretty non sequitur. Nobody said he wasn’t concerned with ROI. He’s said that not every decision is based on ROI.

Re: Another Day Has Come

#105

Post by naravara »

ks2048 wrote: post #82
throwanem wrote: post #16

Until now Apple hasn't addressed the mass market in nearly two decades. That's one human generation, and it is also the span of time between when something first hits and when it sees its first retro revival. That isn't a coincidence. I'm starting to get a little excited! This is going to be quite a decade.

People want another "iphone"-level impact. I would bet there never will be. A device that does everything that we carry with us will also be like an evolution of the smart phone. The only possibility I can imagine is a home robot that takes off.

The iPhone was basically the apotheosis of the Internet. I don’t think we will ever see another consumer product able to have an impact like that unless there is some other kind of “substructure” technology with a vast amount of untapped potential lying around.

Even other transformational technological advancements, like home robotics, I don’t think will be encompassed by a single device the way smartphones could. Home robots will be scattered across a bunch of different robotic devices doing independent activities. You’ll have purpose-built laundry robots, vacuum robots, cooking robots, driving robots, etc. but not a single company doing a single thing.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by naravara »

stetrain wrote: post #49
simonw wrote: post #41

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I don't think any of the iPhone or iPads do. Their design is pretty tightly coupled to weird shaped, permanently attached batteries, from what I've heard.

I don't know whether the newer electrically-releasing battery adhesives would count, but they do allow cleanly removing and replacing the battery without proprietary tools.

They’re not proprietary but some of them are expensive and somewhat specialized. I don’t think it’ll be really economical for most normal people to self-service many repairs, but it’ll be very viable to have a corner hardware store that can do it for you for cheap. Self-servicing battery replacements ought to be doable with an eyeglass screwdriver though.

Re: Another Day Has Come

#107

Post by proggy »

jshaqaw wrote: post #72

Cook was an able steward of Apple. Under his leadership the hardware side continued to iteratively improve nicely. Apple Silicon is good stuff. I am firmly embedded in the entire Apple ecosystem and have no reason to leave. I do wish Apple used some of its massive cash hoard and market power to do better in software. The iPad remains my favorite form factor to use in lots of my day but Apple never invested in killer…

> versus going into producing TV shows and movies because Hollywood people are fun to hang out with

I disagree with this take quite a bit. Yes, software could be better, but Apple TV+ has given dozens of shows the budget and freedom to produce some truly generation-defining art. Ted Lasso, Severance, and For All Mankind are huge stand-outs in their scope, depth, and ambition. For instance, the latter is produced by Sony, yet you see nearly zero product placement, which has been a hallmark of the studio for over a decade now. Putting gobs of money into storytelling yields purer, and therefore more compelling, narratives that will hold up well over time and represent the best of what we are capable of. At the same time, Apple TV+ as a subscription service is also a very convenient way for Apple to weather any ups and downs in the physical product categories.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by bombcar »

criddell wrote: post #89
simonw wrote: post #41

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I don't think any of the iPhone or iPads do. Their design is pretty tightly coupled to weird shaped, permanently attached batteries, from what I've heard.

I've read that Apple's products fall outside the scope of the regulation because their product batteries can do 1000 cycles and still hit the 80% benchmark.

Even if they can't right now, they certainly can by downrating them a bit.

I'd still like to see them comply with the spirit and make it easy to replace.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by bombcar »

master-lincoln wrote: post #32
gyomu wrote: post #8

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The battery thing doesn’t apply to water resistant devices, so doesn’t matter for iPhone/Apple Watch. There’s rumors that upcoming iPad models are water resistant, I suspect that’s the motivation for it.

> The battery thing doesn’t apply to water resistant devices, so doesn’t matter for iPhone/Apple Watch. I think that is not true. If you look at article 11.2 b it talks about "appliances specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable" I don't think that applies to Apple devic…

Apple Watch seems to apply (it's a dive watch at least sometimes) - but it would be a change to the iPhone to make it a dive phone.

Unlikely they'd want to develop all that just to avoid some battery redesign - the phones last so long now that they should have some headroom.

Re: Another Day Has Come

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Post by bombcar »

cryptonym wrote: post #19
gyomu wrote: post #8

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The battery thing doesn’t apply to water resistant devices, so doesn’t matter for iPhone/Apple Watch. There’s rumors that upcoming iPad models are water resistant, I suspect that’s the motivation for it.

I does apply. Battery should be sold for 5 years+ after EoS and it still must be replaceable without proprietary tools, nor proprietary parts.

Or out-of-warranty replacement should be available for a rate not to be above X% of the original price for 5+ years after last sale.

Of course the latter can be gamed where they refuse to replace the battery on a cracked phone, even though it could be done and probably work.

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