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Its not about size but being able to run a RAID1 setup for speed and redundancy. External USB storage doesn't help here.
"With a USB 3.2 Gen 2 interface, it reaches 1000 MB/s read and 800 MB/s write speeds. It is fast enough to run apps and even boot an operating system from"
Framework Laptop 13 Pro
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#712Why do I need a touchscreen and Dolby Atmos as developer?
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Thanks! 1. I won't be using NixOS so that point is moot to me . 2. Reliable sandbox I can get using Apple Containers. I won't argue that the Linux experience is better, because it is. Alone it wouldn't be a reason for me to switch but it does count towards it. 3. Fair enough, I haven't had that issue on the Mac but that may just be because I'm working with other kinds of tech or I have the things I need installed in…
> apple containers Virtual machines. I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access. When everything runs on one host I can organize controllable sandbox escapes for Claude and let it work in huge batches with minimal attention. > won't be using Well, that's your choice to avoid efficient agentic workflows > misunderstood Th…
Yeah that seems to confirm my suspicion that we have very different use cases. :)
> I can't ask claude to figure out an issue on the hw host w/o falling back to per-action confirmations or giving it full unconditional access.
Doesn't help me if the agent is efficient but I'm not. :D
> There are no containers on mac, there are VMs hosting containers and subtractive sandbox filtering syscalls.
I understand the tech. It serves the purpose I need from it.
> FW 13 is great, FW 16 is a disaster.
Thanks! I did take a quick peek at the 16 but I find it too big anyway.
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In his presentation, Nirav compared it twice to a MacBook. Even saying they want to build the MacBook of the Linux world iirc. While I also agree with you, it’s still a valid comparison.
It's not just a valid comparison; for some of us, it's the only comparison that matters. Upgradability and repairability are really nice features, but the machine still needs to otherwise be an upgrade over the one it's replacing. If the Framework Pro holds up in reviews and works as well with Linux as claimed, it'll probably replace my M2 Air as a daily driver. If they add Dvorak as an option so I don't have to rear…
The video says that directly. They want to compete with MacBook, but people coming to Framework from Mac are attracted to the idea of owning their own computer and being able to customise it.
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This looks suspiciously like something I could buy : a lightweight well made Linux laptop, with long battery life. I currently use a MacBook and won’t get near a windows machine. Two questions 1/ will there be a 15 inches version ? ( I’m not getting any younger I like bigger screens ) 2/ software-wise how reliable are the suspend/resume and all the laptop features ? I’ve been using Linux for about 30y and to me this…
I want to say as a fw13 owner that people don't realize that the 3:2 screen ratio gives you extra vertical space compared to your typical notebook and the screen does not feel small at all. That was an excellent decision from their design team.
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Intel GPUs have never been that bad... In the past they were simply small because the expectation was they'd be paired with a dGPU. The Core series has GPUs on par with or even slightly bigger than most of the Ryzen AI series (look up benchmarks and articles).
> they were simply small But that's bad in my book. I'm happy with 720p on low detail once in a while if it's a laptop. What I remember is Intel GPUS being unable to do even that. If they caught up with AMD iGPUs, that's great. I don't do desktop replacement laptops, I prefer the ones I can hold in one hand, the dGPU is in my desktop.
Maybe in the days of HD graphics cards... I've got a Tiger Lake chipset and the Xe iGPU outperforms the laptop 3050 dGPU in actual games (due to having access to waaaaaay more RAM).
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#717Isn't this a Linux device? Why not skip mentioning this non-feature?
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#718I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…
I bought it because it's repairable but I didn't realize that meant I was going to have to repair it more than any other device I've purchased.
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It's not just a valid comparison; for some of us, it's the only comparison that matters. Upgradability and repairability are really nice features, but the machine still needs to otherwise be an upgrade over the one it's replacing. If the Framework Pro holds up in reviews and works as well with Linux as claimed, it'll probably replace my M2 Air as a daily driver. If they add Dvorak as an option so I don't have to rear…
IMHO you should just stay with a Mac. The Framework Pro is the antithesis of a Mac, you can literally take your old framework's mainboard and network card and put them into the new chassis. Everything is replaceable. As long as they continue with that trend, it'll always be thicker and heavier than a Mac, and will always make compromises. The video says that directly. They want to compete with MacBook, but people com…
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Normies don’t buy framework laptops. Search this thread for the “oh but it’s so expensive, I could just buy a new laptop from any other manufacturer every 3 years and it would be cheaper” posts - those are the normies.
normie absolutely love the expansion io slots. “wait so i can have TWO ethernet ports???” i have been responsible for at least three fw16 sales because I got one first, and this was the biggest thing i heard