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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by buu700 »

rick_dalton wrote: post #31
rjh29 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing it to a MacBook misses the point. The reason to buy the framework is modularity, repairability, customisability. You can upgrade your CPU, add specific ports you want, change ram. You can't do any of that with a Mac.

In his presentation, Nirav compared it twice to a MacBook. Even saying they want to build the MacBook of the Linux world iirc. While I also agree with you, it’s still a valid comparison.

It's not just a valid comparison; for some of us, it's the only comparison that matters. Upgradability and repairability are really nice features, but the machine still needs to otherwise be an upgrade over the one it's replacing.

If the Framework Pro holds up in reviews and works as well with Linux as claimed, it'll probably replace my M2 Air as a daily driver. If they add Dvorak as an option so I don't have to rearrange the keys myself, that will make the choice a slam dunk.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dtj1123 »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #565
michaelt wrote: post #230

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Among Linux users, long battery life is for in-office workers (who leave their desk to attend meetings) in hybrid companies (where no meetings are laptop-free) in roles that sometimes involve back-to-back meetings.

But these people would already have a company-provisioned laptop.

I don't want to maintain state on two laptops

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by bombcar »

Gigachad wrote: post #519
pmontra wrote: post #411

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It's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.

The MacBook software is so good that I’ve never had issues with misclicks or movement despite your palms sitting on it while typing. Long ago I installed Linux on a MacBook and found it unusable because of clicks and movement while typing. It’s probably improved these days though.

It is so incredibly "weird" to press on a MacBook (non Neo) trackpad when it is off, it's like touching a dead thing.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by daemin »

Part of me was hoping there would be some sort of official arm mainboard announced, I know there's the third party version but they don't seem to sell the main board only.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by arximboldi »

pveierland wrote: post #545

I'm amazed looking at the upgrade kit. It's everything you need to go from the old 13" to the Pro; including chassis, display, battery, keyboard etc - listed at $255. That's an instant buy from me. https://frame.work/sg/en/products/framework-laptop-13-pro-ch...

Same... I bought a 13 last year, super happy with it but was kind of sad after seeing this release because this new design is just so much better and addresses all the concerns I had with the machine... until I saw this.

Fuck I do love these guys! Give me a little hope in humanity.

Will definitely buy this new chasis as soon as I can!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by LandenLove »

spaghettifythis wrote: post #509
LandenLove wrote: post #506

It's unfortunate that I am unable to access these new products because Framework does not ship to Japan. I have an original Framework 13 that's CPU fan has been making death noises. There is also a broken screw mount in the base. I didn't do shipment forwarding. I just bought the product and later moved to Japan. Also, Framework supposedly blocks shipment forwarding. It's odd, because I remember them advertising a Ja…

Same problem here in NZ - they only ship to AUS, despite lots of people here being keen on their laptops. I know multiple people who have made it a point to time a trip to AUS with buying a Framework so they can pick it up while they're over there.

I hope they ship to your region soon!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by koiueo »

koiueo wrote: post #534
uxcolumbo wrote: post #155

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Any plans to have a keyboard with a trackpoint and thumb buttons? I Don't need a trackpad. If you add this then you'll have a new customer for life. The trackpoint is the only thing that keeps me chained to Thinkpads.

+1 to that. I don't know how relevant is the parent argument these days, but pfu see released HHKB with trackpoint. Even despite dropping their signature topre switches, I consider this one of the best purchases. My wrists can't thank me enough. I won't consider a laptop without one.

*patent argument

Apologies for the edit in a separate comment. But the typo was so misleading, I decided to fix it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by koiueo »

bigyabai wrote: post #569
koiueo wrote: post #540

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Containers are great. But on MBP I have rancher, and a beautiful mirror-like screen, and that enormous trackpad which can fit my momma's fat ass. No technical argument will fit with the mindset of an average dev preferring MacBook.

Tough sell, I can buy a Magic Trackpad and use it on any machine I want.

The /s should have been obvious.

I wouldn't try selling MacBooks to anyone. It's the worst popular device in terms of ergonomics, paired with OS that is incredibly hostile to developers and power users

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by throwaway85825 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #529
throwaway85825 wrote: post #505

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There's no reason they couldn't use smaller capacity modules. SOCAMM has better area efficiency and z height, both highly relevant for thin and light laptops.

There's a big reason they shouldn't do that though: Laptops have already standardized enough on LPCAMM2 for the modules to be widely available.

The form factor is only a tiny part of the RAM module price. DRAM already isn't compatible gen to gen so you might as well go with the most optimized form factor
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