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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by steveBK123 »

tuckerman wrote: post #38
chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

My heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mission so well.

I'm not in the market for a Windows or Linux machine myself, but the way this company operates I feel like supporting them with a purchase at some point regardless.. maybe their Desktop tower

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by tuetuopay »

iamcalledrob wrote: post #655
tuetuopay wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a heavy fractional scaling user, as long as the display has enough DPI, it's a non-issue. At my last job I was happily running 1.35 scaling, and I run my TV at 1.5 scaling. Make sure you're using a sane compositor, which excludes DWM; most Wayland compositors should run just fine.

Glad it works for you. It runs fine, but details become blurry as they get spread across pixels, I do UI design, so I find it important to see things in full fidelity (no pixel smudging).

Well I'd argue it'd help you to make designs that don't require perfect pixel alignments to look good, the same way developers should run crappy 10 year old computers. But that's the sadistic way. Anything graphics-related does require 1:1 display.

However, to be fair, that's only at lower DPIs smudging's an issue. Anything retina-ish and integer scaling loses all meaning. I'm typing this on a 15" 4K laptop on 1.75 scaling with HN set to 120% zoom. At those DPIs, it does not matter at all. I adjust most websites zoom level because a lot of them think the content must breathe, while I think I should not fiddle with my scroll to read a paragraph.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by chias »

chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

This is great! Though in my case, since i have the very first generation they made, i probably need to upgrade every part of the thing so might as well just get a new one

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by marcus2026 »

brson wrote: post #138

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…

More for the review thread;

I was really sold on the idea of a repairable laptop and the Linux support was excellent. I like the laptop a lot and it happily replaced the old-skool Macbook that had served me so well over the years.

However, I had a screen die on me and that's when I found that their product support was truly appalling (even worse than Apple!) - They took ages to reply and then asking endless irrelevant questions in a very arrogant tone (version of BIOS, operating systems etc) - in the end, I gave up and bought the replacement screen myself.

I'll buy a Thinkpad next time.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by hgo »

I saw the announcement video and I'm so relieved to hear actual honest language!

- Actually naming your inspiration as Apple

- Saying that thanks to machined body, the keyboard is actually slightly better. No overstatement, just an honest detail

- No: "This is our best laptop yet" (As if managing to not making it worse is something to be proud of)

- To the point, fast paced, clear communication

- Honestly stating that you're working hard on getting as good as "the gold standard, which of course is Apples track pad" and that you think you'll get there soon

- Clearly stating that the new memory standard is not magically your own invention somehow even though you're the first to use it

- Clearly stating the actual numbers of the battery in Wh and density AND also how many video minutes you get

- Clearly stating, not hiding but also not overstating that you started the company for the purpose of upgradeability

- Proving what you mean with examples before emphasising that "we really mean it when we say we have redesigned the computer from the ground up" (While absolutely fantastically letting the new motherboards upgrade last generation chassis!)

Result: I placed a pre-order, and kind of felt sad for this honest and clear language to apparently be rare.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by rldjbpin »

the chassis upgrade is welcome and it is nice to see the company grow enough to start creating custom hardware, and supporting standards that should keep things modular without sacrifice.

at the same time, there is a decent level of risk with using "new" standards before the industry catches up. lpcamm2 is great and should allow faster memory while "upgradable". the issue is with only having one slot which forces you to replace memory instead of adding to it. this is working with the assumption of having a single slot, which i am happy to be proven wrong on.

the current timing is a shame but at least when one needs to shell out so much money after all, might as well get better performance and hardware along with it.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dismalaf »

nottorp wrote: post #652
dismalaf wrote: post #484

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AMD Ryzen AI 400 is built on TSMC 4nm and Panther Lake is on Intel's 18A so Intel is literally a generation ahead for this product cycle and wins hands down...

But is the GPU good for anything? I'm used to Intel being completely crap and AMD actually being able to run games if you can live without 8k and 400 fps. Also how's Linux support for either?

Intel GPUs have never been that bad... In the past they were simply small because the expectation was they'd be paired with a dGPU.

The Core series has GPUs on par with or even slightly bigger than most of the Ryzen AI series (look up benchmarks and articles).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by akdev1l »

bigyabai wrote: post #467
akdev1l wrote: post #351

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There is a whole section on touchscreen annoyances from the Linux Surface project: https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Installa... > Any gesture functionality is dependent on the software you are running. This includes both, the application (e.g. Firefox) and the desktop environment (e.g. GNOME). The driver can only provide a set of input coordinates to the applications. By default, the system will be…

> There is a whole section on touchscreen annoyances from the Linux Surface project Taking a quick look, all of the things they list are basically reiterating what I've already said vis-a-vis Wayland: You should make sure that you are running a Wayland desktop session [...] It is important, that your applications run on Wayland as well.

> The driver can only provide a set of input coordinates to the applications. By default, the system will behave as if you've clicked at the point of a single touch, or mouse-button dragged when you single-finger drag.

Yeah no. All of this depends on everything up to the application.

A gtk2 application will have no support for anything. A GTK3 application running on xwayland will have poorer support as well. And anyway most applications just treat the touchscreen as an invisible pointer as it says there.

Just to give an example of some basic thing that doesn’t work reliably: you can’t reliably use a long press gesture. In most apps that will be equivalent to holding the left click (aka does nothing but a long click). On iOS you will get a contextual menu to select/format text or whatever. (You can find a real report of this issue here: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/s/crLHZhHkuM - “how do I right click using the touchscreen?” from barely 6 months ago)

Your claim that this is an equivalent experience to an iPad is just false.

I’ve been around long enough to remember setting up TouchEgg, the situation is better now but still not equivalent at all.

Anyway originally I wanted to reply to provide balance to your take so casual readers wouldn’t install Linux on their tablets and expect iPadOS. I think that has been sufficiently achieved by this comment chain, readers can choose which side to take :-)

Cheers!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nottorp »

dismalaf wrote: post #677
nottorp wrote: post #652

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is the GPU good for anything? I'm used to Intel being completely crap and AMD actually being able to run games if you can live without 8k and 400 fps. Also how's Linux support for either?

Intel GPUs have never been that bad... In the past they were simply small because the expectation was they'd be paired with a dGPU. The Core series has GPUs on par with or even slightly bigger than most of the Ryzen AI series (look up benchmarks and articles).

> they were simply small

But that's bad in my book. I'm happy with 720p on low detail once in a while if it's a laptop. What I remember is Intel GPUS being unable to do even that.

If they caught up with AMD iGPUs, that's great. I don't do desktop replacement laptops, I prefer the ones I can hold in one hand, the dGPU is in my desktop.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nathan-hello »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #669
dheera wrote: post #603

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The main problem with Framework 13 thermals is that if you just put it on top of a bed or sofa, the cloth blocks the bottom ventilation holes and the PC roasts itself with zero airflow. It's fine placed on top of a table, just not on a soft surface. I wish they would fix this glaring issue. Most normies are just going to place their laptops on the couch or bed without thinking about it. Macbooks have a better design…

Normies don’t buy framework laptops. Search this thread for the “oh but it’s so expensive, I could just buy a new laptop from any other manufacturer every 3 years and it would be cheaper” posts - those are the normies.

normie absolutely love the expansion io slots.

“wait so i can have TWO ethernet ports???”

i have been responsible for at least three fw16 sales because I got one first, and this was the biggest thing i heard

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