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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by manuhabitela »

kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

To nuance this, the more you go up in specs, the more macbook become more expensive than comparable framework. Try to compare with a 64GB framework or 2TB framework for example.

One benefit of framework is you may not need to get storage, and just go use the one in your current laptop, saving around £200. And you might even try to source the RAM on your own to save a few more. But I admit that is somewhat difficult these days haha.

We should also consider that repairability, upgradability and open hardware/software support don't come for free and are features that are worth paying for.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nottorp »

dismalaf wrote: post #484
ndom91 wrote: post #130

Anyone know much about the new top of the line Intel vs AMD CPU options? Which is more power efficient? Powerful?

AMD Ryzen AI 400 is built on TSMC 4nm and Panther Lake is on Intel's 18A so Intel is literally a generation ahead for this product cycle and wins hands down...

But is the GPU good for anything? I'm used to Intel being completely crap and AMD actually being able to run games if you can live without 8k and 400 fps.

Also how's Linux support for either?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by manuhabitela »

nmlt wrote: post #594
archon810 wrote: post #575

Is there an option for a keyboard with dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End/Insert/Delete keys? I looked at a bunch of designs and didn't find any. If this is a developer-focused laptop, how can the keyboard be so developer-unfriendly? This is why I keep getting Lenovo laptops, they don't compromise on these keys.

There are enough keys there, just configure some to your liking. That’s a software problem.

You certainly can't remap the Fn key on the software side. If the keyboard firmware allows to remap the Fn-layer it would be a dream :)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by GyroTech »

cassianoleal wrote: post #306
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Do these laptops, either the Intel or the AMD version, work with eGPUs on Linux?

I have the 13" with AMD 7040 and eGPU worked fine, but I switched back to a SFF desktop as I couldn't git hot-swapping to work reliably and bandwidth loss over thunderbolt was a little more than I was happy with. But functionally/mechanically it worked

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Post by iamcalledrob »

tuetuopay wrote: post #137
iamcalledrob wrote: post #10

I really wish this had a 4K display option. As someone who dislikes fractional scaling. I'm clinging on to my older Thinkpad X1 because the 4K display is so good.

As a heavy fractional scaling user, as long as the display has enough DPI, it's a non-issue. At my last job I was happily running 1.35 scaling, and I run my TV at 1.5 scaling. Make sure you're using a sane compositor, which excludes DWM; most Wayland compositors should run just fine.

Glad it works for you. It runs fine, but details become blurry as they get spread across pixels,

I do UI design, so I find it important to see things in full fidelity (no pixel smudging).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dtj1123 »

muyuu wrote: post #387
cogman10 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu 26.04 hasn't been released yet and that's likely what they'll test on. It includes kernel 7.0 which has a bunch of the panther lake support.

DHH has been posting specific support for Framework, so maybe Omarchy/Arch is one of the main options.

Genuine question, what is it about DHH that makes you think he can move the needle on battery life for Linux?

My understanding is that he's a giant in the enterprise software space, I don't see how that would give him any clout in the hardware space.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by muyuu »

dtj1123 wrote: post #656
muyuu wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DHH has been posting specific support for Framework, so maybe Omarchy/Arch is one of the main options.

Genuine question, what is it about DHH that makes you think he can move the needle on battery life for Linux? My understanding is that he's a giant in the enterprise software space, I don't see how that would give him any clout in the hardware space.

battery life for Linux is not some grand project, it's just support and setup of existing kernel drivers, typically at the distro level - which is why it's already there for some setups

https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2046677012878708834

he mentioned good numbers before, but of course you may want to wait for reviews

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dtj1123 »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #272
Neikius wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does MBP run Linux? That would be the selling point for me ... But I guess I am not in a big group. Also MBP is not really repairable at all.

On macbook you could emulate windows. Inside windows emulate linux. And it would still be much faster than this framework

Name checks out.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by mshroyer »

rglover wrote: post #7

Has anyone made the jump from a Mac to Framework as a daily driver? This is the first model to get my attention as a possible candidate for a full switch to Linux.

I switched my main home computer to the Framework 13 (albeit on Windows) in 2021, after multiple weeks with my MBP sent away for AppleCare. I had some minor electrical issues with the original 11th gen Intel motherboard, but the 13th gen Intel board I've since upgraded to has been perfect.

It's by far the best primary computer I've owned. The tradeoffs in battery life, speaker sound quality, and so on didn't matter much for my use case, so I was happy to take them; but this new model seems to fix those issues too, so I think it'll appeal to a much wider audience.

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