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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by awongh »

bigyabai wrote: post #295
awongh wrote: post #287

How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days? How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / responsiveness, and for native-feeling integration with ubuntu? I am, naturally, a bit skeptical that touchscreen UI would be any good in linux.

> How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days? GNOME supports multitouch gestures, and the GTK4 toolkit is overall very touch-native. It strikes a nice balance between overpadded and touch-accessible, IMO: https://www.gnome.org/ (some of the newer Libadwaita widgets that GNOME is using: https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/libadwaita/doc/main/wid... ) > How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / resp…

> GNOME supports

I've heard that there's *support* -but is the experience of having a touchscreen on an ubuntu device actually usable and good?

For example some random GUI app you're likely to use on ubuntu is the experience not broken?

I guess Chrome is the first thing that comes to mind.

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Post by akdev1l »

awongh wrote: post #287

How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days? How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / responsiveness, and for native-feeling integration with ubuntu? I am, naturally, a bit skeptical that touchscreen UI would be any good in linux.

It supports them via libinput.

Everything around actually a Linux device with a touchscreen sucks.

Like on-screen keyboard will be inconsistent depending on the framework of the app.

comparing to iOS which was built from the ground up around that input method is simply not fair lol.

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Post by Schiendelman »

varispeed wrote: post #186
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Any blue-sky thinking like 256GB RAM support? I have a feeling that laptops don't keep up with the today's dev workflows.

The ram is an Intel chipset limitation, I don't know that they can do anything about it. Even AMD only goes up to 128GB now.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

Lammy wrote: post #54
kingsleyopara wrote: post #14

I really want to love this thing but at least in the UK, matching specs it comes out as more expensive than the MBP - even worse when you factor in potential discounts/sales which framework doesn't offer. Framework 13 Pro: £2064 (Ultra X7 358H, 16GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) Framework 13 Pro: £2264 (Ultra X7 358H, 32GB, 1TB, default ports, no adapter) MacBook Pro 14: £1699 (M5, 16GB, 1TB, no adapter) MacBook P…

Dumb comparison, because buying a Framework is a single transaction where I exchange money for a computer, and buying a Mac is an entrypoint to “The Ecosystem” where Apple wants to squeeze me for $ /month forever. Peep the margins on “Products” versus “Services” and you will understand what Apple's incentives are and why just selling me hardware isn't it: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2026-q1/FY26_Q1_Consol..…

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Post by aembleton »

prism56 wrote: post #242
unclad5968 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isnt that the entire value proposition of the company?

Yes but it's truly impressive to see it. It shows it can be done. An 11th gen CPU/mobo that came out in 2020 can be dropped straight into this new chassis. Or the newest display be can be dropped into your 2020 laptop/chassis.

I wish they booted them up in that video. Its one thing being able to plug parts in but its another for them to all work together.

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Post by akdev1l »

bigyabai wrote: post #295
awongh wrote: post #287

How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days? How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / responsiveness, and for native-feeling integration with ubuntu? I am, naturally, a bit skeptical that touchscreen UI would be any good in linux.

> How is ubuntu support for touchscreens these days? GNOME supports multitouch gestures, and the GTK4 toolkit is overall very touch-native. It strikes a nice balance between overpadded and touch-accessible, IMO: https://www.gnome.org/ (some of the newer Libadwaita widgets that GNOME is using: https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/libadwaita/doc/main/wid... ) > How does it compare to an ipad in terms of fidelity / resp…

>With Wayland, it's borderline identical.

Come on lol. I have a couple steam decks and both are really clunky.

Most applications are not built using GTK4 nor Qt6 for that matter.

On my steam deck the keyboard never pops up by itself so I have to use a key combination and it feels like I am moving a ghost mouse around the place (rather than proper touch screen support)

I ran gnome on the deck for a while but anyway the on-screen keyboard provided by the gnome sucked so bad that I gave up (sucked as in, it groups all the keys around the center of the screen tightly together and very small)

I also have an M1 iPad Pro. No comparison because those issues simply don’t exist on iOS.

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Post by Schiendelman »

stetrain wrote: post #173
altairprime wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything that isn’t a MacBook will be more expensive than a MacBook, so you should choose a price you want to spend and then evaluate if you prefer a Framework or a Mac at that price point . If your available spending power is too low for a Framework, you’re not getting a Framework — and, separately, if you want a Framework for some reason specific to the Framework and can afford one, then the price of a Mac isn’t…

> Everything that isn’t a MacBook will be more expensive than a MacBook Imagine telling this to someone in 2010 or 2015.

It was 2012 when I realized a midrange Macbook (not Pro or Air) was actually cost competitive with my PC laptop, and switched. There have been some configurations since then!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by aembleton »

luqtas wrote: post #176
sdoering wrote: post #84

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Can't attest to framework, but after switching to an arch based syttem on my Quite low level HP Envy 13'' I get about 130% - 170% of time out of the system. Yes, I am running mostly in dark mode now. Yes, I am using the terminal significantly more often now (80% of the time). But also I have always a browser, always Slack, WhatsApp, Obsidian and more often than not a few other things running on virtual screens. Just…

unless you screen is OLED, dark-mode has no or zero impact on battery usage, maybe even non-significant impact on OLEDs

Don't most LCD screens have localised dimming of the backlight these days?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

abdusco wrote: post #108
rjh29 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least pulseaudio is pretty much dead now and we have pipewire.

https://xkcd.com/927/

That is a problem that Linux has, but this is actually one time that it really isn't. Pipewire is flat-out better than pulse, while including sufficient compatibility that it really does just supersede the thing.
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