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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by 999900000999 »

brson wrote: post #138

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…

I was just at an event.

The vibe I got was the quality is really bad, BUT the people who like Framework and believe in it gladly just buy another one.

Not for me though. Within 6 months we’ll see similar specs from other oems at 50 to 70% of the price

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by eichin »

nrp wrote: post #435
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d prefer a non-touchscreen. Touchscreen does add about 200g of weight. Is that likely to be an option?

This is an in-cell touchscreen and we didn't add cover glass. That means there is no weight impact to having it.

And no brightness impact either, right? (I think that was in the LTT video.) We always ordered thinkpads without touchscreens, but it sounds like just leaving it off in software might actually be sufficient...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by stavros »

vizzier wrote: post #240
niteshpant wrote: post #217

These are cool laptops. But, after getting a decent config (32gb ram, 1tb ssd, 7 series chip), the price is ~$2300. At that point, a MacBook Pro seems like a better choice. I'd not want to develop on anything less than that config. The selling point seems to be the Linux + Framework brand + highly customizable machine you can actually own I've always wondered if these laptops can scale beyond the enthusiast group. If…

14" macbook pro with those specs is ~2100. 200 dollar delta for repair-ability seems acceptable to me.

I'd pay $200 to run Linux. The repairability is a bonus.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by kelnos »

notenlish wrote: post #325
kelnos wrote: post #220

As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

The thermals hopefully won't be a problem, since the new Intel chips are quite efficient.

Looking at Intel's specs, it seems my current CPU has a base of 28W, boost up to 64W. The high end part Framework is selling for the 13 Pro has a base of 25W, boost to 80W.

So seems basically the same on the low end, with the new part boosting quite a bit higher. Presumably you get more perf per watt on the new CPU, but still.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by OuterVale »

TechPlasma wrote: post #478
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Now that you have a custom touch-screen. How long until you release a tablet (Surface-pro-like) form factor? I'm still using my 2017 Surface Pro because the form factor is amazing, but no one has come up with anything to compete with it. I know it's not the most ideal form factor for a repairable device, but I can dream.

Not quite the same form-factor, but they've gotten pretty close to a tablet with the Framework Laptop 12.

https://frame.work/au/en/laptop12

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by nhumrich »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #500
nhumrich wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dell Precision used to have track points. Now the only holdout is Thinkpad. I sometimes wonder how much the track point itself keeps that product line successful. That being said, thinkpads are almost as upgradeable as frameworks. The latest t14 received a better score from ifixit than framework for repairability (first ever to get a 10).

> The latest t14 received a better score from ifixit than framework for repairability (first ever to get a 10). Hm, I wish they had scores for the X230 and older; I'd like to see how they compare. IMO they're better, if nothing else because you can replace RAM, SSD and battery without unscrewing the entire bottom.

I don't think the difference between half the bottom and entire bottom would make a difference according to ifix it. It's more about: 1. Is it possible 2. Is it documented 3. Do you need proprietary parts 4. Without solder

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by rootnod3 »

canpan wrote: post #349
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

I would love to buy one and know a bunch of others. Wonder if shipping to Japan is in the works?

Yeah, waiting for that too. They should expand the regions instead of new models. Availability is really limited.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by CarVac »

kelnos wrote: post #220

As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

> My one concern is that their CPU options top out at 4 performance cores; the i7-1370P I have right now has 6.

I was looking at benchmark comparisons between my i5-1240P which has 4 performance cores and 8 efficiency cores, and the Ultra 5 325 which has 4 performance cores and 4 low-cache ultra low power efficiency cores.

The 325 is still faster multicore than the 1240P.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by ben-schaaf »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #505
ben-schaaf wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Socamm is all about data centre capacity. It starts at 128GB and you can only order it in bulk(?) from data centre providers. On the other hand I can go to a local store and buy a stick of 32GB lpcamm2.

There's no reason they couldn't use smaller capacity modules. SOCAMM has better area efficiency and z height, both highly relevant for thin and light laptops.

There's a big reason they shouldn't do that though: Laptops have already standardized enough on LPCAMM2 for the modules to be widely available.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by CarVac »

cassepipe wrote: post #396
pojntfx wrote: post #9

I'm really looking forward to having this as the go-to laptop to recommend to devs again. The original Framework chassis was really showing it's age next to e.g. a MacBook Pro or the new XPS 14. Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive.

Yes, it was not mentionned often in the list of complaints about the fw 13 because the chassis was good enough but my main gripe was that it felt flimsy. Strangely it was not flimsy and held its own but it felt flimsy and to be honest I never was quite able to tell why. What one want for a premium laptop is the satisfying rigidity of a Macbook and it didn't have it. So for me this new chassis is a banger release. It'…

Rigid = premium-feeling

Strong = won't break

My Framework 13 is robust but isn't the most rigid-feeling. If I one-hand hold the laptop by the front edge it presses the touchpad clicker.

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