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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by andrekandre »

sho_hn wrote: post #192
BeetleB wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

Engineers build tools for other people. The profession exists in support of human life. We make the substrate that civilization runs on. If humans are the point, this also goes for keeping work environments humane.

  > The profession exists in support of human life.
it very obviously supports capital and if human life also then its just a side-effect*

*this is just an observation, not a normative claim

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by andrekandre »

dbgrman wrote: post #276

Because ends justify means. To quote Boz himself: “ The ugly truth is that we believe in connecting people so deeply that anything that allows us to connect more people more often is de facto good. It is perhaps the only area where the metrics do tell the true story as far as we are concerned.”

> connect more people more often is de facto good

i've heard it described that evil is that which believes itself to be good without exception. i think i'm starting to agree...

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Post by gdhkgdhkvff »

leptons wrote: post #236
JoshTriplett wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the exact type of thing that software IC’s should reject in solidarity. Yes. Which includes quitting, en masse, from any company that does this. Meta ought to find it impossible to employ anyone with a policy like this.

Maybe in 2010 or 2015, but in 2026? Nobody is quitting their high paying job when the job market is this rough . A bubble has burst and there just are not the tech jobs out there that there used to be. And employers know this, so they are enacting all kinds of draconian policies because they know employees know that they can't just leave the job and also keep their families fed.

If only there was some way where workers in this profession could form some type of JOIN(but like a vertical version?) between different sets of workers, even crossing company boundaries, so that workers could coordinate to ensure that everyone would be quitting at once, and therefore have any power at all to block anti-worker edicts.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by [deleted] »

resident423 wrote: post #243
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Meta employees are not typically known for their deep concerns about privacy.

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Post by bradlys »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #190
bradlys wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or stuck with HCOL that is the Bay Area. There’s not really any purely “ethical” companies in the Bay Area that pay enough for you to live there. You’d be surprised how few people actually buy into the corporate culture at these companies. It’s just to get paid because everyone needs a job to pay their expenses. You want to solve this then lower the cost of housing.

You have to be very good at pretending to land director and above roles, though.

The very top is lying all the time about what they believe...

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Post by jbxntuehineoh »

gtowey wrote: post #224
wavefunction wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why do people expect to have a right to do non-work related stuff on the job? Like use the restroom? Personally, I'm not a slave. I am getting more and more used to the idea of having to push back on those who do exhibit such a mentality. Y'all are beginning to become a threat to the rest of us.

Meta: look, you don't have to wear a diaper while you work, but those that do are 87% more likely to get promoted! The choice is yours!

the fact that the employees have voluntarily consented to wearing the diapers means that wearing the diaper is better than any alternative available to them, which proves that forcing employees to wear diapers maximizes total social utility

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by [deleted] »

lukeschlather wrote: post #266

I really don't understand how this is legal. I guess Facebook maybe doesn't actually have any compliance requirements in the USA, but time series screenshots of any SRE's screen are going to contain data that should not be stored by some data vacuum. I know Meta has a reputation for shitty data handling practices and US regulations are light compared to Europe, but how are they planning on securing passwords, encrypt…

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by ninjahawk1 »

Now this is some hacker news.

We’ve been moving towards a more and more tyrannical company controlled society for a long time and now they’re straight up doing hacking tactics to train machines to take our jobs. Doesn’t get much more bleak than that.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by CSSer »

ninjahawk1 wrote: post #288

Now this is some hacker news. We’ve been moving towards a more and more tyrannical company controlled society for a long time and now they’re straight up doing hacking tactics to train machines to take our jobs. Doesn’t get much more bleak than that.

It really does make one wonder... If you came to work tomorrow and I said you need to donate blood to keep working here, would you?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by SecretDreams »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

Companies pay their employees to build things. They do not pay their employees for their likeliness or the inner workings of their brains. Meta is trying to get the latter by keystroke tracking. It is an overreach in that context.

If they just want to monitor your computer for the purposes of productivity tracking, that is in their right, imo - just a shitty thing to do.

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