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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by saltamimi »

nrp wrote: post #434
saltamimi wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Nirav, congrats on the newest release and I'm really eyeing the 13 Pro. A couple of questions: 1. How are the thermals? I've had mixed experiences with my 11th gen FW 13 throttling under load with the fan sounding noisy. It's fine if I'm alone but if I'm at a team gathering, it's noticeably loud. 2. Does the lid open with one hand?

1. Intel Core Ultra Series 3 is super efficient for video conferencing. That's a use case that Intel has specifically been optimizing for, so as long as you're using video conferencing software that leverages hardware encode/decode, which should be most of them at this point, the fan should stay off entirely. 2. We have one hand open on the lid for each generation of 13.

1. That's awesome! I assume RDP or VNC would be the same then, I use that for work primarily.

2. Huh. Well, I feel like an idiot! I always use two hands when opening the lid, muscle memory, I guess.

ps. one question you don't have to answer: for the wireless keyboard, did you guys consider something like a fingerprint sensor? I like the idea of having something like that akin to Mac's Wireless Keyboard but I don't know how much integration something like that would need.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by dadoum »

nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Hey, love that thing and I am considering to sell my current laptop to get one, but I wanted to first know if the laptop features pen/stylus support? I guess not, as it is not using a full glass cover like the 12 and otherwise it would have probably been advertised, and can we expect in the future an upgrade path towards that (by replacing only the panel or the whole top part maybe?)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by noosphr »

jszymborski wrote: post #346
chis wrote: post #28

It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work. I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-s…

> That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. It's sorta essential imo if they want to make good on their one value-prop: repairability and the good will that comes with it. If they start releasing a tonne of SKUs with a million different parts, they'll inevitably have to sunset parts at a clip that'll completely make useless their repairability claims. I am a happy Framework laptop owner, but I paid a prem…

Parts are open source. Other people can keep making them. There's franken think pads from China that use a x61 chassis made 15 years after the release. I had a soup of them before I moved to framework for my daily drivers.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by HDBaseT »

rafram wrote: post #157
Lammy wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb comparison, because buying a Framework is a single transaction where I exchange money for a computer, and buying a Mac is an entrypoint to “The Ecosystem” where Apple wants to squeeze me for $ /month forever. Peep the margins on “Products” versus “Services” and you will understand what Apple's incentives are and why just selling me hardware isn't it: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/fy2026-q1/FY26_Q1_Consol..…

It's really not, though. You don't even need an Apple account to set up a Mac. I pay $3/month to Apple in exchange for full-quality backups of decades of photos, but I could easily stop doing that, or switch to another provider, if I wanted to. (I don't, because $3/month is extremely fair for what I get.) I've never paid for any other Apple service and likely never will. The OS never, ever nags me about services - co…

Whilst you don't "need" an Apple account to setup a Mac, using a Macbook without an account may not be viable for a lot of people.

First and foremost, you cannot install any applications through the primary method of app installation, which is the App Store.

You also cannot use certain applications like iMovie (which is pre-installed) without an Apple Account.

MacOS will always prompt you in the Settings to sign in with iCloud. Opt into Betas, including Public and Developer Betas are not possible without an iCloud account.

The Apple land is miles better than the Microsoft land, which you aptly point out though.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by ben-schaaf »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #472
nrp wrote: post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Why LPCAMM and not SOCAMM2? What is the status of SOCAMM for laptops and would it be possible to do a SOCAMM for NVMe?

Socamm is all about data centre capacity. It starts at 128GB and you can only order it in bulk(?) from data centre providers.

On the other hand I can go to a local store and buy a stick of 32GB lpcamm2.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by solson4 »

brson wrote: post #138

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me he…

Depending on how warped the case is, it might or might not help, but i was having the same issues with the trackpad and it was an easy fix for me. Steps here: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Touchpad+Rubbing+Fix+Guide/1...

In general, coming from a MacBook, I’ve had more quality issues with the framework, but fixing them has always been possible with a little digging. I’ve enjoyed the experience of learning how to take apart and fix my gear, but I’m also the sort of person who darns holes in his socks, so ymmv.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by DanHulton »

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use.

How is it that Apple is the only company these days() that consistently gets this right?

( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by MarsIronPI »

nhumrich wrote: post #331
MarsIronPI wrote: post #232

Man, I want to get a Framework, but I'm held back by the lack of trackpoint. Yes, I know it's not going to happen officially, but I just can't see myself using a laptop without one. So, until someone figures out some mod or 3rd-party part I'm sticking with Thinkpads.

Dell Precision used to have track points. Now the only holdout is Thinkpad. I sometimes wonder how much the track point itself keeps that product line successful. That being said, thinkpads are almost as upgradeable as frameworks. The latest t14 received a better score from ifixit than framework for repairability (first ever to get a 10).

> The latest t14 received a better score from ifixit than framework for repairability (first ever to get a 10).

Hm, I wish they had scores for the X230 and older; I'd like to see how they compare. IMO they're better, if nothing else because you can replace RAM, SSD and battery without unscrewing the entire bottom.

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