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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by anonymousDan »

reaperducer wrote: post #134
mulmen wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely wild to me that anyone has ever operated under any other assumption. If you want to complain about your boss do it at happy hour.

It's absolutely wild to me that anyone has ever operated under any other assumption. Maybe because they're aware that complaining about the boss is protected by law (in the United States and many other countries).

It amazes me that people seem to think that once they have clocked in for work they have entered some kind of dystopian dictatorship where all their rights are immediately forfeited. And that people are fundamentally not allowed to push back against this kind of bullshit.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

I don’t care if a company monitors which websites I go to on a work computer, what applications I run or what I say on Slack.

On the other hand I would be looking for another job if they had keyloggers or were taking screenshots even if they said anything about me shopping on Amazon or randomly browsing Hacker News or any website that wasn’t gaming or Netflix during work hours.

Heck I use to travel a lot more for business and I used my work laptop for Netflix and other streaming services in the hotel.

As long as I’m meeting performance standards it shouldn’t matter.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by simplyluke »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

It's absolutely their right, but it's a dramatic cultural departure from the history of the company.

In the late 2010s/pre-covid it was very common for employees to port their personal cell phone number to their work phone and just not have a personal cell phone. The internal culture at the company was remarkably open for their size.

That all went away by the time I left in 2022, and from what I've heard it has only accelerated into an employee-hostile environment. I'm not shocked at this move.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by kpw94 »

bradlys wrote: post #47
shimman wrote: post #38

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You don't think collecting this type of intimate information about your employees as a major violation of the social contract?

I’m just saying that they’ve been collecting this info for years. Keyloggers, etc. are on all the computers you’re given. Employees didn’t have any expectation of privacy - just a hope. Now, it’s clear it’s completely gone and so the hope and goodwill is gone.

Right, they're not the only FAANG company for which we know they're doing it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46318494

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by casualscience »

cma wrote: post #88
casualscience wrote: post #75

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They absolutely do, wtf are you talking about. Also people use their work accounts and laptops to read their w2 and other sensitive info.

The W2 is already provided by the employer, is it really sensitive for the employer to see it?

Idk, do you think it's sensitive for the employer to train an AI with it and then put that AI on Instagram for everyone to use and ask for employee SSNs?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by seanp2k2 »

BeetleB wrote: post #97
kridsdale1 wrote: post #59

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I insulted him in my mandatory Exit Interview form from HR when I resigned. It had no impact of recruiters trying to win me back since then.

> I insulted him in my mandatory Exit Interview form from HR when I resigned. How can they legally mandate an exit interview when you resigned? Is it part of the employment contract? What would have happened if you showed them the finger and not participated?

Possibly nothing, possibly you'd get blacklisted and they'd share that with other companies in ways in which you'd never know or have any recourse https://fortune.com/2025/03/27/meta-block-list-hiring-employ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-block-lists-affect-your-...

https://medium.com/@ossiana.tepfenhart/the-no-hire-list-is-r...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/16/silicon-v...

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by jjmarr »

gambiting wrote: post #177
jjmarr wrote: post #173

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Managers usually have the authority to bind the company to an employment contract. Even if they don't, the rule of "apparent authority" often means the employee can still sue. In the USA this is mostly theoretical since HR could immediately fire the employee due to at-will employment. But in Canada, it's a much bigger issue due to labour protections. e.g. Many managers at American multinationals gave assurances over…

>>Managers usually have the authority to bind the company to an employment contract Is that an American thing? I've been a manager for years and never heard of that happening. I didn't even know how much the people I managed were paid.

I believe it happens more often in Canada. Here's a case where the RTO ultimatum was ruled constructive dismissal, because the manager made a verbal agreement to amend the terms of employment.

https://mathewsdinsdale.com/employers-advisor-march-2025/#:~...

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by Avicebron »

Yeah, this is crazy, remember when engineers were actually engineers and that meant something? Imagine asking to install spyware on your lawyers' firms' company laptops because you didn't trust them not to make some deal with the judge. Or demanding 24 hour monitoring on everything a doctor does because you need to review the footage at any time.

EDIT: While we are here, let's do this for politicians as well :), publicly available, auditable 24-hour surveillance.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by BoneShard »

cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #143
satvikpendem wrote: post #138

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You're right, maybe they should put cameras in there too. But there's a reason we don't yet every worker still explicitly or implicitly knows not to use their work computer for personal tasks, as people can and do get fired for doing so.

This is a ridiculous statement. Everyone I know at my company uses work laptops for personal stuff. It's not in the land of freedom though, so great leaders like yourself can't fire people at will. TBH at this point I don't believe you are a real person.

I stopped doing any personal stuff on a work laptop long time ago, like 10+ years ago. There is absolutely nothing on my work laptop which is not work related. Working from home though helps, I always have my laptop next to me. Same with the phone, under no circumstances I will do anything work related on my personal phone (and yes I do have a company provided phone with MDM and etc).

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by seanp2k2 »

bradlys wrote: post #85
wonnage wrote: post #72

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Everyone that’s left either buys into the culture or is stuck due to immigration

Or stuck with HCOL that is the Bay Area. There’s not really any purely “ethical” companies in the Bay Area that pay enough for you to live there. You’d be surprised how few people actually buy into the corporate culture at these companies. It’s just to get paid because everyone needs a job to pay their expenses. You want to solve this then lower the cost of housing.

You have to be very good at pretending to land director and above roles, though.
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