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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by beloch »

For those saying that this is fine because company computers are company property...

This is like going to work in a drug-lab where everyone is required to strip naked to ensure no "product" can be smuggled out. It's a zero trust environment at first blush, with the added terror of it being used to replace you with AI.

People working naked in a drug lab have more job security than meta employees and an equivalent level of respect and trust from their employer. However, they can't unionize because they have no legal protections. Their employer could literally point a gun at them if they complained. That isn't the case for Meta employees. Just sayin'.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#102

Post by satvikpendem »

jaapz wrote: post #92
PradeetPatel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

There shouldn't be any expectation of privacy? There absolutely should!

On a work computer? No there shouldn't and isn't.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#103

Post by gambiting »

mancerayder wrote: post #89
gambiting wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience at other companies recruiters and pretty much no one else has any idea that someone has been blacklisted, until you do all of your interviews and tell HR to hire that person and that's when they tell you the person is on some kind of shit list and we can't hire them. That was an awkward conversation with someone who was basically told we'll be making an offer soon.

What is the blacklist and is it company-specific? I'd be more concerned about industry-wide blacklisting.

No it was company specific. Basically that person used to work for our company, years prior, in a different office in a different country.

But I also had a different situation where we also decided to hire someone, only to find out that we can't because he's been let go from another company owned by our parent company, and his severance agreement said he can't work for the same group of companies for 12 months. I think he was genuinely unaware that we're part of the same group(if was a huge corporation) and it just never came up in any conversation until HR tried to put together paperwork for him.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#104

Post by IAmGraydon »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #83
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

>A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code.

This is exactly what they're doing, and they aren't the only ones.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#105

Post by Miraste »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

While you have the right practical approach, I do believe companies should face harsh regulations preventing this kind of monitoring. It has almost universally negative effects, from enabling union-busting to exploitation to all kinds of discrimination and favoritism.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#106

Post by downrightmike »

Hamuko wrote: post #84
PradeetPatel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

> we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues Like that "Scott is an asswipe who never agrees to any idea that isn't his" or what?

"Unless I suggest it and then he will throw hands against anyone who is against me"

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#107

Post by [deleted] »

cma wrote: post #88
casualscience wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They absolutely do, wtf are you talking about. Also people use their work accounts and laptops to read their w2 and other sensitive info.

The W2 is already provided by the employer, is it really sensitive for the employer to see it?

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#108

Post by mulmen »

dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

It's absolutely wild to me that anyone has ever operated under any other assumption. If you want to complain about your boss do it at happy hour.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#109

Post by [deleted] »

Miraste wrote: post #105
BeetleB wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

While you have the right practical approach, I do believe companies should face harsh regulations preventing this kind of monitoring. It has almost universally negative effects, from enabling union-busting to exploitation to all kinds of discrimination and favoritism.

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#110

Post by mulmen »

euroderf wrote: post #99
PradeetPatel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

> the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. A bogus argument, methinks. Consider that the company also owns the phones, but can or do they listen to every phone call ?

Yes? And by law so can all US phone companies.
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